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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 09:23 AM
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Hi All. I just got the rebuilt engine back in the wifes 75 vette, and tried to set it timing at 36 full advance, runs great, but knocks/pings. Its a '75 350 auto with a .480 lift ex/int hei ignition, 10-1 pistons, factory carb. If i set it down to the 20s in timing, it runs fair, and doesnt ping. Im not running high grade fuel at this time, just regular. The distributor is rebuilt too, but stock advance springs are still in there.
Any ideas why i have such a problem setting it at 36 degrees?

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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 10:17 AM
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I'd guess the 87 octane fuel. Try the 93. Chuck
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I'm running a similar type of cam in my 72 (the illfamed XE268H) and with 9.5 CR and a performance tuned ignition and carb, I can tell when the gas I get isn't good. If you want a car thats going to perform, you're going to need to run the higher octane fuel. If it is just a cruiser, and you don't get on it, then set the timing lower, and live with lower octane gas.

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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 11:33 AM
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10:1 will require mid-grade or premium fuel if you expect to put the timing anywhere near where it belongs.
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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 06:58 PM
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My 383 with aluminum heads and 10.25 CR runs fine on 89 octane. May even run on 87, but I'm afraid to try. Cam is CC XE 274.

Total mechanical timing is 36*, all in by 2800 rpm. Vacuum advance gets me +/- 50*.
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 10:45 AM
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My 383 with aluminum heads and 10.25 CR runs fine on 89 octane. May even run on 87, but I'm afraid to try. Cam is CC XE 274.

Total mechanical timing is 36*, all in by 2800 rpm. Vacuum advance gets me +/- 50*.
Ahh...aluminum heads make the difference. I'm running cast iron, hence the problem with knock on bad gas (also, my domed pistons are not as forgiving, as they can form pockets of heat that can cause premature igniting of the gas). You'll find most guys here with aluminum heads can run at least 10.5 CR or higher on 93 gas. It has to do with the ability of the metal to retain heat.

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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 10:56 AM
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good fuel a must it's really needed on a new motor to be safe you aren't hurting it
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Originally Posted by AndyMacLeod
Hi All. I just got the rebuilt engine back in the wifes 75 vette, and tried to set it timing at 36 full advance, runs great, but knocks/pings. Its a '75 350 auto with a .480 lift ex/int hei ignition, 10-1 pistons, factory carb. If i set it down to the 20s in timing, it runs fair, and doesnt ping. Im not running high grade fuel at this time, just regular. The distributor is rebuilt too, but stock advance springs are still in there.
Any ideas why i have such a problem setting it at 36 degrees?

Thanks in advance

Andy
Just noticed you are using the stock advance springs. At what rpm are you getting full advance? Most stock springs give full centrifugal advance at well over 3000 rpm. Stock weights are ok, but I would buy a Crane or Mr. Gasket advance set. Use the stock weights. Make sure they move freely. Use the new springs to bring in 36* before 3000 rpm with vacuum advance disconnected. Check Lars papers for an aftermarket vacuum advance to use.

Use an adjustable timing light or an accurately marked balancer.
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 08:51 AM
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for all the tips. I had read earlier in the forums about some carbs not having full time vacuum at the proper port, and switched to constant vacuum from the manifold. That helped alot, im at 36 full timing now @just over 3000 rpm, with little to no knock, and will play around abit more with higher grade fuel, and lighter springs in the distributor.

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