Ebay Fraud?????
Drifting
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From: Lake Arrowhead - Georgia > 72 Base Coupe & 74 BB Roadster
I have kicked myself many times for NOT having the kahonees to buy several Hotrods on Ebay.
I have probably missed out on a good one at least once.
This thread....however...confirms to me to not buy "sight unseen" !
I have probably missed out on a good one at least once.
This thread....however...confirms to me to not buy "sight unseen" !
Drifting
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From: New Zealand
Originally Posted by classiczx
Legal contracts are supposed to represent information accurately.
Also, the car does NOT say AS-IS which is one way a dealer tries to get away without disclosing information.
Of course it doesn't say refund... but contracts that are not 'fraudulant means illegal and VOID... same as refund in the Law system.
I will pursue this case.
Also, the car does NOT say AS-IS which is one way a dealer tries to get away without disclosing information.
Of course it doesn't say refund... but contracts that are not 'fraudulant means illegal and VOID... same as refund in the Law system.
I will pursue this case.
Good luck with it......
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Drifting
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From: Old Skool, NY
Originally Posted by fotyfobravo
I have kicked myself many times for NOT having the kahonees to buy several Hotrods on Ebay.
I have probably missed out on a good one at least once.
This thread....however...confirms to me to not buy "sight unseen" !
I have probably missed out on a good one at least once.
This thread....however...confirms to me to not buy "sight unseen" !
Thats what Ebay was intended for.... not simply that the Seller can simply lie about everything and tough luck to the buyer.
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St. Jude Donor '11, '16-'17
Originally Posted by classiczx
I will pursue this case.
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Drifting
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From: Old Skool, NY
Originally Posted by standup
Here's a tip: If you find an invoice in the car for a paint job that's dated during his ownership, then you have evidence that he's lying.....that's the type of documentation you need to prove fraud....
Good luck with it......
Good luck with it......
A bodyshop can see it.
Instructor
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Hey Classic, seems there bashing you pretty good, I bought a Cadillac Deville last year from Arizona and a VW Cabrio for my Daughter this year from Nj both on E-Bay and both were great deals (I guess
I was luckly) But the thing I looked for was a lot of feedback, The guy you bought from only had feed back for 6 items and only one from the buyer. I know all this is 20/20 and I think you should persue the issue, the next time I buy a large Item I will have the funds held in escrow untill I receive the Item. I learned my lesson with the sidepipes!!!
Oh BTW I live in Pa, I did not see the cadillac, but I did see the VW
prior to purchase. I do agree E-Bay is a way to get sellers and buyers together.
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Originally Posted by classiczx
No, thats why you're an idiot.
You insult me for being honest and getting all the info I can directly from the seller to make the BEST choice I can without being ABLE to see the car in person due to timeframe and location.
Ebay was created for that.
The seller can LIE all he wants and is A Okay in your book... so that is why you are obviously a liar yourself.
Like a previous post said, IF you can prove those repairs and a repaint during the prior ownership, then you MIGHT have a case. But from the wording of the ad, you DO NOT.
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Le Mans Master
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From: Orlando Florida
St. Jude Donor '05
First and most important - seperate the seller's opinion from simple facts. In the auction he describes the car as a 1 owner car with original paint and 42K miles.
Obviously he lied about the original paint and did not state that body panels have been replaced - that's what counts at court, not his opinion about the condition of the car.
by the way, Ebay offers escrow...
Obviously he lied about the original paint and did not state that body panels have been replaced - that's what counts at court, not his opinion about the condition of the car.
by the way, Ebay offers escrow...
Melting Slicks
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From: Arkansas
Originally Posted by RedBad1979
First and most important - seperate the seller's opinion from simple facts. In the auction he describes the car as a 1 owner car with original paint and 42K miles.
Obviously he lied about the original paint and did not state that body panels have been replaced - that's what counts at court, not his opinion about the condition of the car.
by the way, Ebay offers escrow...
Obviously he lied about the original paint and did not state that body panels have been replaced - that's what counts at court, not his opinion about the condition of the car.
by the way, Ebay offers escrow...
Maybe he(seller) didn't know that the panels have been replaced?
The seller said so himself that it sat in a showroom for 10 years....maybe thats what he (seller) was led to believe it was original paint?
hasn't anyone ever sold or bought a home before?
I'm not taking anyone's side but these are the questions that can come up in court and will be up to the buyer to prove otherwise.
Court systems can suck but thats the way it is sometimes....
Le Mans Master
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From: Orlando Florida
St. Jude Donor '05
Originally Posted by 1982CorvetteDude
But can't "original paint" be taken different ways?
Maybe he(seller) didn't know that the panels have been replaced?
The seller said so himself that it sat in a showroom for 10 years....maybe thats what he (seller) was led to believe it was original paint?
hasn't anyone ever sold or bought a home before?
I'm not taking anyone's side but these are the questions that can come up in court and will be up to the buyer to prove otherwise.
Court systems can suck but thats the way it is sometimes....
Maybe he(seller) didn't know that the panels have been replaced?
The seller said so himself that it sat in a showroom for 10 years....maybe thats what he (seller) was led to believe it was original paint?
hasn't anyone ever sold or bought a home before?
I'm not taking anyone's side but these are the questions that can come up in court and will be up to the buyer to prove otherwise.
Court systems can suck but thats the way it is sometimes....
First, it has been a 1-owner car since I purchased from the dealer. Since new, the dealer owned the car and kept it in their showroom as the dealer prized it. The dealer sold it to me after 10 years in his showroom in 1986. It had 3,000 miles on it when I bought it. I have the original sales receipt, purchase info, and all dealer documentation. It now has 42k. The mileage is original and the exterior completely unrestored (except for touching up the nose with paint ....)....
Bleached paint on the hood for example matches the description "completely unrestored" perfectly...
Le Mans Master
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From: Coming home from Luckenbach Texas
Originally Posted by jdp6000
So???? Did you get the car or not??? Aside from the paint blemishes how does it run???
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Good luck with your legal case....it may run another $5000.00 to get it in court...in 8 months or so...
I'd get a notary for your statements and a pro photographer to document that car of yours quick...then have a lawyer just write a letter to the seller about mis-representation and your San Jose "playboy" might get nervous and agree to take it back..I've used lawyers like that in the past...works 90% of the time..cheap too...
I'd get a notary for your statements and a pro photographer to document that car of yours quick...then have a lawyer just write a letter to the seller about mis-representation and your San Jose "playboy" might get nervous and agree to take it back..I've used lawyers like that in the past...works 90% of the time..cheap too...
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From: near Ocala Florida
Originally Posted by jdp6000
So???? Did you get the car or not??? Aside from the paint blemishes how does it run???
Jim
Jim
And did you have it shipped?
How much was that?
Team Owner
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09
Hi guys,
Classiczx asked if someone, in the area, could take a look at his vette and see what we thought. I just came back and took a few pics. You can find them in the northeast section here, midway down:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...post1552831296
Classiczx asked if someone, in the area, could take a look at his vette and see what we thought. I just came back and took a few pics. You can find them in the northeast section here, midway down:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...post1552831296
Le Mans Master
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From: Orlando Florida
St. Jude Donor '05
Just looked at the photos - the overspray on the rear window is not very likely resulting from his "minor touch ups" on the nose 
I'd be upset, too
For 6-8000 it would be a nice car but $15000 ????
Contact Ebay and see what they can do for you, they have this 'buyer protection'
good luck
I'd be upset, too
For 6-8000 it would be a nice car but $15000 ????
Contact Ebay and see what they can do for you, they have this 'buyer protection'
good luck
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From: Queens, New York Life begins at 183 mph....
St. Jude Donor '08-'09
I'm don't know too much about C3s but the two things that really stood out was the condition of the hood and this:
The other side has a crack very similar to this almost in the exact same spot. Is there anything that could cause that? Also, notice in the pic, the orange peel you can see in the flashpoint. Whenever I've seen C3's at corvette shows, they always have great paint, much better than today's C5's and C6's (most likely because of the lack of lead based paint nowadays). Did 76's have lead based paint?? Just curious. I'm almost positive this wasn't factory paint.
I would have taken more pics but it was starting to get dark.
The other side has a crack very similar to this almost in the exact same spot. Is there anything that could cause that? Also, notice in the pic, the orange peel you can see in the flashpoint. Whenever I've seen C3's at corvette shows, they always have great paint, much better than today's C5's and C6's (most likely because of the lack of lead based paint nowadays). Did 76's have lead based paint?? Just curious. I'm almost positive this wasn't factory paint.
I would have taken more pics but it was starting to get dark.
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From: Coming home from Luckenbach Texas
Not lead based paint, but oil-based lacquer. That's the difference 
BTW: Don't expect a lot of satisfaction out of ebay. I'm still waiting to hear a story from somebody who got helped by them...
BTW: Don't expect a lot of satisfaction out of ebay. I'm still waiting to hear a story from somebody who got helped by them...