Ebay Fraud?????
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From: James Island South Carolina
I must be missing the big deal with ebay anyway. I can find some hard to find parts, yes, but when I see used and dirty-looking edelbrock performer intakes selling for a few bucks under retail, and then add in shipping, I just don't get it. It just seems like people are asking and getting too much for stuff. I guess it's cool to find that old album or owners manual though.
Also, I hear so many complaints about misrepresentation on ebay, how do these shady types get so many positive feedbacks? Just curious.
Also, I hear so many complaints about misrepresentation on ebay, how do these shady types get so many positive feedbacks? Just curious.
Drifting
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From: Vacaville, CA
Welcome to the group!!!!! I hve bought many items off of e-bay and have trouble with about 1/2 of the items. Of the 4 cars I have bought sight unseen only 1 is a keeper. It is very tough to see these great deals on the internet and let them pass buy. It is also tough to find good cars within a 500 mile radius of where you might live. Finally it is even tougher to try to make any decisions from the pictures on the net.
My advice is if you like the car you probably dont have many rust issues on the underside on the frame or more importantly in the birdcage. Any car you buy used is probably not going to have a "Great" paint job on it anyways and since this is most likely a rust free car I'd just invest in a $4-5,000 paint job and be happy with the vehicle.
My advice is if you like the car you probably dont have many rust issues on the underside on the frame or more importantly in the birdcage. Any car you buy used is probably not going to have a "Great" paint job on it anyways and since this is most likely a rust free car I'd just invest in a $4-5,000 paint job and be happy with the vehicle.
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Drifting
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From: Old Skool, NY
Originally Posted by Corvettehead
Looks like there's fault on both sides to me. The seller obviously embellished the car's description - but may be only guilty of not really knowing how beyond excellent would be interpreted. To him, beyond excellent may mean there's still paint on a car that is 30 years old - a car that was driven. A bit naive, yes... but the buyer is guilty of being naive to the other extreme in expecting a trailer queen or a competition show car based on some digital pictures and description alone.
The buyer simply shouldn't have bid $15,000 on something that he didn't have the ability to do the research on. If the paint's condition was such a priority, checking it out in person should have been done. Even if he couldn't have hopped on a plane and done it himself, he could have hired or asked someone independent in the area to do so on his behalf. Nobody forced him to bid that much; when you buy from ebay you're often buying from some individual - not dealerships that have customer guarantees and refunds. Even though the auction didn't say "as is", it didn't say "satisfaction guaranteed" or refunds available.
Ebay's resolution center isn't going to help much, I've never experienced any kind of meaningful help with them. And he really doesn't have much of an option for legal recourse - it's going to cost him probably as much as he'd get in a settlement.
Bottom line - seller embellishment and buyer remorse. It's an object lesson to us all to clearly define what we want out of an auction before we put a bid down that we can't afford to lose.
The buyer simply shouldn't have bid $15,000 on something that he didn't have the ability to do the research on. If the paint's condition was such a priority, checking it out in person should have been done. Even if he couldn't have hopped on a plane and done it himself, he could have hired or asked someone independent in the area to do so on his behalf. Nobody forced him to bid that much; when you buy from ebay you're often buying from some individual - not dealerships that have customer guarantees and refunds. Even though the auction didn't say "as is", it didn't say "satisfaction guaranteed" or refunds available.
Ebay's resolution center isn't going to help much, I've never experienced any kind of meaningful help with them. And he really doesn't have much of an option for legal recourse - it's going to cost him probably as much as he'd get in a settlement.
Bottom line - seller embellishment and buyer remorse. It's an object lesson to us all to clearly define what we want out of an auction before we put a bid down that we can't afford to lose.
You're wrong on many counts.
Legally speaking, buyers remorse is only when buyer simply wants to return the car because he simply changed his mind, hence Refund / Satisfaction garanteed notice will be the ONLY legal recourse for said buyer.
"As is" means NO refund so in order to legally enforce no refunds under any conditions then it must be stated on the contract.
Without either policy stated the law relys on the contract and its accuracy... meaning that refund or no refund depends on the actual contract.
Misrepresentation means refund for Buyer.
No misrepresentation means Seller keeps the money.
I can win this case, however the lawyer and court fees would probably make it rather expensive for a $15,000 case.
However, if I go to San Jose, I can sue him in small claims and get a few thousand for repairs with minimal cost to me.
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Drifting
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From: Old Skool, NY
Originally Posted by BlackRocket
Welcome to the group!!!!! I hve bought many items off of e-bay and have trouble with about 1/2 of the items. Of the 4 cars I have bought sight unseen only 1 is a keeper. It is very tough to see these great deals on the internet and let them pass buy. It is also tough to find good cars within a 500 mile radius of where you might live. Finally it is even tougher to try to make any decisions from the pictures on the net.
My advice is if you like the car you probably dont have many rust issues on the underside on the frame or more importantly in the birdcage. Any car you buy used is probably not going to have a "Great" paint job on it anyways and since this is most likely a rust free car I'd just invest in a $4-5,000 paint job and be happy with the vehicle.
My advice is if you like the car you probably dont have many rust issues on the underside on the frame or more importantly in the birdcage. Any car you buy used is probably not going to have a "Great" paint job on it anyways and since this is most likely a rust free car I'd just invest in a $4-5,000 paint job and be happy with the vehicle.
Thanks, Glad you understand that many people, professionals included as well as the official Buyer for Barrett Jackson ( It was a 2-part series on speed channel about a rare find overseas and buying it unseen)have purchased vehicles sight unseen.
I checked the cars history, asked the buyer very specific questions, for more specific photos, researched his name, checked his telephone numbers and address.... made sure he is verified with paypal with an account and would I never send to P/O. boxes.
I know who is, where he works, where he lives and have all necessary written proof of our conversations to prove that he lied... I may have bought sight unseen but I gave myself plenty of info to win a legal case if I pursue it.
I knew he owned the car and I tracked its history and he simply lied about its cosmetic condition.
A simply naive buyer would buy unseen with an As is / No refund clause, not do any research, and simply send money to a person or PO Box who may or may not really exist... and no VIN # to check on.
The car or name may not even exist.
Most Ebay buys are sight unseen and a high percentage are successes which is why Ebay is successful.
I won't let this ruin my holidays, though...
Team Owner
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Originally Posted by classiczx
Thanks, Glad you understand that many people, professionals included as well as the official Buyer for Barrett Jackson ( It was a 2-part series on speed channel about a rare find overseas and buying it unseen)have purchased vehicles sight unseen.
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Perfection (concept)
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Perfection is a state of flawlessness. Something is called perfect when it has no flaws.
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Perfection in the dualistic sense is a theoretical state of existence which is beyond all possible improvability. In this mode every thing is either perfect or flawed. Despite the either-or nature of this concept of perfection, it nevertheless relies upon the relativistic notion that a thing exists in a state which is flawed in comparison to an idealized or existent thing of the same class which can be determined by all possible methods not to possess any flaw. This concept of ultimate perfection is commonly applied in dualistic ideologies, and can be said to be validly established by the fact that we can always judge a thing to be flawed, and therefore falling short of the ideal. There is an ontological relationship between the concept of perfection and ideology itself, since ideologies are predicated on concepts of what constitutes better or worse.
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Non-dualistic
Perfection in the non-dualistic sense is considered to be a continuum of relative merit, established in some thing's relationship to all other things which can be considered relevant to the thing's nature. In this sense there is no ultimate perfection, but instead the relative perfection of a thing is established in terms of its suitability for a particular purpose. For example, a screwdriver can be said to be the perfect tool for embedding a screw. However, while a screwdriver may be perfectly suitable for embedding a screw in wood, a screw-driving power-drill attachment may be considered to be more suitable to embed a screw into a harder material, and hence more perfect in a given case.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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Perfection is a state of flawlessness. Something is called perfect when it has no flaws.
[edit]
Dualistic sense
Perfection in the dualistic sense is a theoretical state of existence which is beyond all possible improvability. In this mode every thing is either perfect or flawed. Despite the either-or nature of this concept of perfection, it nevertheless relies upon the relativistic notion that a thing exists in a state which is flawed in comparison to an idealized or existent thing of the same class which can be determined by all possible methods not to possess any flaw. This concept of ultimate perfection is commonly applied in dualistic ideologies, and can be said to be validly established by the fact that we can always judge a thing to be flawed, and therefore falling short of the ideal. There is an ontological relationship between the concept of perfection and ideology itself, since ideologies are predicated on concepts of what constitutes better or worse.
[edit]
Non-dualistic
Perfection in the non-dualistic sense is considered to be a continuum of relative merit, established in some thing's relationship to all other things which can be considered relevant to the thing's nature. In this sense there is no ultimate perfection, but instead the relative perfection of a thing is established in terms of its suitability for a particular purpose. For example, a screwdriver can be said to be the perfect tool for embedding a screw. However, while a screwdriver may be perfectly suitable for embedding a screw in wood, a screw-driving power-drill attachment may be considered to be more suitable to embed a screw into a harder material, and hence more perfect in a given case.
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Drifting
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From: Old Skool, NY
Originally Posted by wcsinx
Sight unseen by them, yes, but not without a third party inspection.
Barret jackson series, the curator didn't know what to expect until actual delivery as well.
... because Ebay has a limited timeframe as well as payment timeframe, third party is often not utilized as well.
Many are successes and if I didn't quickly buy my 280zx, I would have missed a great oppurtunity.
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Drifting
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Originally Posted by rihwoods
Perfection (concept)
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Perfection is a state of flawlessness. Something is called perfect when it has no flaws.
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Dualistic sense
Perfection in the dualistic sense is a theoretical state of existence which is beyond all possible improvability. In this mode every thing is either perfect or flawed. Despite the either-or nature of this concept of perfection, it nevertheless relies upon the relativistic notion that a thing exists in a state which is flawed in comparison to an idealized or existent thing of the same class which can be determined by all possible methods not to possess any flaw. This concept of ultimate perfection is commonly applied in dualistic ideologies, and can be said to be validly established by the fact that we can always judge a thing to be flawed, and therefore falling short of the ideal. There is an ontological relationship between the concept of perfection and ideology itself, since ideologies are predicated on concepts of what constitutes better or worse.
[edit]
Non-dualistic
Perfection in the non-dualistic sense is considered to be a continuum of relative merit, established in some thing's relationship to all other things which can be considered relevant to the thing's nature. In this sense there is no ultimate perfection, but instead the relative perfection of a thing is established in terms of its suitability for a particular purpose. For example, a screwdriver can be said to be the perfect tool for embedding a screw. However, while a screwdriver may be perfectly suitable for embedding a screw in wood, a screw-driving power-drill attachment may be considered to be more suitable to embed a screw into a harder material, and hence more perfect in a given case.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Jump to: navigation, search
Perfection is a state of flawlessness. Something is called perfect when it has no flaws.
[edit]
Dualistic sense
Perfection in the dualistic sense is a theoretical state of existence which is beyond all possible improvability. In this mode every thing is either perfect or flawed. Despite the either-or nature of this concept of perfection, it nevertheless relies upon the relativistic notion that a thing exists in a state which is flawed in comparison to an idealized or existent thing of the same class which can be determined by all possible methods not to possess any flaw. This concept of ultimate perfection is commonly applied in dualistic ideologies, and can be said to be validly established by the fact that we can always judge a thing to be flawed, and therefore falling short of the ideal. There is an ontological relationship between the concept of perfection and ideology itself, since ideologies are predicated on concepts of what constitutes better or worse.
[edit]
Non-dualistic
Perfection in the non-dualistic sense is considered to be a continuum of relative merit, established in some thing's relationship to all other things which can be considered relevant to the thing's nature. In this sense there is no ultimate perfection, but instead the relative perfection of a thing is established in terms of its suitability for a particular purpose. For example, a screwdriver can be said to be the perfect tool for embedding a screw. However, while a screwdriver may be perfectly suitable for embedding a screw in wood, a screw-driving power-drill attachment may be considered to be more suitable to embed a screw into a harder material, and hence more perfect in a given case.
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Drifting
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From: Old Skool, NY
Originally Posted by wcsinx
Trust me on this one, Barrett Jackson knows exactly what they are buying.
They relied on 35mm photos and they were responding to a newspaper ad.
It is NOT unusual, the owners of the customizing shop I use has done the same. Ebay stats show that its common.
I'm just saying that sellers are responsible for what they promise just as buyers are responsible to fulfill their end.
I could have been a deliquent buyer and just not pay and say to a seller, well what did you expect...this is Ebay, haha!
I only have 13 feedbacks, you should have cancelled my bid....so its YOUR fault for trusting me! Haha!
It happens on either side and it's ridiculous to blame the victim either way.
Buyers and Sellers both have obligations and should expect grief if they don't fulfill them.
5th Gear
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You did all that research and still didnt have a 3rd party look at the car? If the timeframe is too limited...most people simply wouldn't bid. To skip this crucial step - no matter how you rationalize it, is inviting trouble. Unless you were counting on the car having some unmentioned flaws just so you could kick up a fuss on purpose.
Burning Brakes
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From: Long Island and Ocala Fl.
St. Jude Donor '09,'10,'11,'12,'13,'14-'15-'16-'17-'18-'19-'20-'21
Originally Posted by classiczx
However, if I go to San Jose, I can sue him in small claims and get a few thousand for repairs with minimal cost to me.
I know, I have been there. The guy I was suing (open and shut case, or so I thought) didn't even show up. So I thought I won. WRONG, the judge just set another date.
Good luck.
BTW if nothing else, I'm sure others have learned from your experience, I know I have.
Melting Slicks
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From: Sudbury MA
Corvettehead,
I agree. Perhaps if the buyer had put as much effort into researching this impulse purchase as he has put into maintaining this thread, he wouldn't be in the situation he is in. All the lamenting and commiserating doesn't change the fact that he jumped in without due diligence and now it is someone else's fault that HE made a bad purchase. Sometimes looking in the mirror reflects what we don't want to see.
If he is so sure he has such a perfect legal case, why not go to court and be done with it rather than whine? This forum can't correct his mistake, so why beat it to death here?
I agree. Perhaps if the buyer had put as much effort into researching this impulse purchase as he has put into maintaining this thread, he wouldn't be in the situation he is in. All the lamenting and commiserating doesn't change the fact that he jumped in without due diligence and now it is someone else's fault that HE made a bad purchase. Sometimes looking in the mirror reflects what we don't want to see.
If he is so sure he has such a perfect legal case, why not go to court and be done with it rather than whine? This forum can't correct his mistake, so why beat it to death here?
Melting Slicks
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From: Arkansas
Originally Posted by ksbunting
Corvettehead,
I agree. Perhaps if the buyer had put as much effort into researching this impulse purchase as he has put into maintaining this thread, he wouldn't be in the situation he is in. All the lamenting and commiserating doesn't change the fact that he jumped in without due diligence and now it is someone else's fault that HE made a bad purchase. Sometimes looking in the mirror reflects what we don't want to see.
If he is so sure he has such a perfect legal case, why not go to court and be done with it rather than whine? This forum can't correct his mistake, so why beat it to death here?
I agree. Perhaps if the buyer had put as much effort into researching this impulse purchase as he has put into maintaining this thread, he wouldn't be in the situation he is in. All the lamenting and commiserating doesn't change the fact that he jumped in without due diligence and now it is someone else's fault that HE made a bad purchase. Sometimes looking in the mirror reflects what we don't want to see.
If he is so sure he has such a perfect legal case, why not go to court and be done with it rather than whine? This forum can't correct his mistake, so why beat it to death here?
While it's the sellers fault for some of the claims made in the auction, the buyer has to accept some reponsibilty. I know when I started buying up books on Corvettes before I started even looking for one, several books always made the point to never buy on impulse and to sit on it for a day or two before deciding one way or another, the worst deals are made on impulse.
Burning Brakes
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St. Jude Donor '06
Buying on Ebay
I've purchased several cars (BMW 840, Jeep and Corvettes) over Ebay as well as motorcycles. Here's some guidelines that I've found helpful:
1. Buy directly from the owner not a dealer or a multiple car seller. This guy had sold another auto in a previous auction. Won't go into the reasons why that's a red flag.
2. If it looks too good to be true - it is.
3. Check feedback and previous ID's on ebay. This fellas has a low rating and mostly as a buyer. Nothing wrong with that, but you could have contacted the buyer of his other auto.
4. This seller's email was @Yahoo? That's a free and usually transient site. Not a deal breaker, but a red flag.
5. His deposit was $2K that's enormous relative to other auctions and another red flag.
6. PayPal won't help you getting your deposit back, Ebay says they will, but rots o ruck. If you charged your credit card they may reverse it.
7. Don't pay a deposit. Hop on a plane (or only bid locally) and see the car, before plunking down dough. If the seller squeaks tell him "bite me" you have 48 hrs and you will bring out the cash, or maybe offer $100 bucks til you get to see it. Play hardball you hold all the cards until money swaps hands then you hold no cards!
8. Inspections are only $100 and they will tell you within 48 hrs what the cosmetics are (not much mechanical). You can also contact a local dealer or mechanic and ask him to take it to them. You need a third set of eyes to see the car before moving forward. He advertised an inspection was available, did you request a copy? CarFax is something like $7. I've even emailed other bidders to see if any of them physically inspected the vehicle.
9. Don't dismiss lousy pictures (like his) as just a lack of camera ability. A good and proper ad will have tons of good pictures and will include accurate close ups of imperfections. When a seller lists imperfections he's hopefully trying to be honest. Fuzzy pic's from a distance are a red flag even crappy digital camers today take clear crisp pictures.
10. If it's too good to be true, but I digress.....
Larry
PS why didn't you leave negative feedback?
1. Buy directly from the owner not a dealer or a multiple car seller. This guy had sold another auto in a previous auction. Won't go into the reasons why that's a red flag.
2. If it looks too good to be true - it is.
3. Check feedback and previous ID's on ebay. This fellas has a low rating and mostly as a buyer. Nothing wrong with that, but you could have contacted the buyer of his other auto.
4. This seller's email was @Yahoo? That's a free and usually transient site. Not a deal breaker, but a red flag.
5. His deposit was $2K that's enormous relative to other auctions and another red flag.
6. PayPal won't help you getting your deposit back, Ebay says they will, but rots o ruck. If you charged your credit card they may reverse it.
7. Don't pay a deposit. Hop on a plane (or only bid locally) and see the car, before plunking down dough. If the seller squeaks tell him "bite me" you have 48 hrs and you will bring out the cash, or maybe offer $100 bucks til you get to see it. Play hardball you hold all the cards until money swaps hands then you hold no cards!
8. Inspections are only $100 and they will tell you within 48 hrs what the cosmetics are (not much mechanical). You can also contact a local dealer or mechanic and ask him to take it to them. You need a third set of eyes to see the car before moving forward. He advertised an inspection was available, did you request a copy? CarFax is something like $7. I've even emailed other bidders to see if any of them physically inspected the vehicle.
9. Don't dismiss lousy pictures (like his) as just a lack of camera ability. A good and proper ad will have tons of good pictures and will include accurate close ups of imperfections. When a seller lists imperfections he's hopefully trying to be honest. Fuzzy pic's from a distance are a red flag even crappy digital camers today take clear crisp pictures.
10. If it's too good to be true, but I digress.....
Larry
PS why didn't you leave negative feedback?
Burning Brakes
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St. Jude Donor '06
Ouch - tough love
Man, this forum is full of tough love! Not much sympathy here... Obviously we all feel your pain bro. You are a trusting and honest person and that makes you a good guy and probably an easy target for scams. You tell people the truth and want to trust your fellow man. Anyway here's what ebay's position is on auto auctions. Don't read further on unless you have a strong stomach, it ain't pretty:
"While we understand your concern in this matter and appreciate your
report, please be aware that eBay doesn't actually handle the
merchandise that is offered for auction. Without firsthand knowledge of
the item, we are unable to guarantee the accuracy of the listing
information. We encourage members who are interested in bidding on an item to email the seller for additional information. Be sure to ask the
seller specific questions regarding age, authenticity and condition of
the item before bidding. In the unlikely event that the seller doesn't
respond, you may want to reconsider your bidding decision.
Part of this information is contained in our User Agreement, under
article 3. I have included a portion of that Article below for your
review:
"...3.1 Overview. Although we are commonly referred to as an online
auction web site, it is important to realize that we are not a
traditional "auctioneer". Instead, our site acts as a venue to allow
anyone to offer, sell, and buy just about anything, at anytime, from
anywhere, in a variety of formats, including a fixed price format and an
auction-style format commonly referred to as an "online auction". We are not involved in the actual transaction between buyers and sellers. As a result, we have no control over the quality, safety or legality of the items advertised, the truth or accuracy of the listings, the ability of sellers to sell items or the ability of buyers to buy items. We cannot
ensure that a buyer or seller will actually complete a transaction."
If you would like to review the rest of our User Agreement, please visit
the URL below:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/newtoebay...agreement.html
Please remember that our Feedback Forum is available to you to express satisfaction or displeasure regarding a transaction. This feature is a very important part of each transaction, as it is a reflection of the
business each member conducts on the site. Comments, whether positive or negative, will allow others to make educated decisions on whether they want to deal with a member.
You can access the Feedback Forum using the URL below:
http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/feedback.html
You can also quickly access the Feedback Forum by clicking on the
"services" link at the top of any eBay page, and then by clicking on the
"Feedback Forum" link also at the top of the page.
I have appreciated this opportunity to assist you. We are committed to
making everyones eBay experience safe and rewarding.
eBay Motors
Trust and Safety Department
________________________________________ _____
For our latest announcements, please check:
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/announce.shtml "
So, did you actually buy the car? Was it delivered to you via carrier?
Does the engine match? What's the interior like? Does the CarFax jive with the '86 dealership story? How far apart are you two... if you sue him the jurisdiction is in his state. Details man, we need details. Is there any light at the end of the tunnel on this deal, or are you planning to slit your wrists? Are there any folks in your neighborhood that will break his legs for ten bucks, a six pack and a bag of dope - if so, MOVE you live in a bad neighborhood... lol
"While we understand your concern in this matter and appreciate your
report, please be aware that eBay doesn't actually handle the
merchandise that is offered for auction. Without firsthand knowledge of
the item, we are unable to guarantee the accuracy of the listing
information. We encourage members who are interested in bidding on an item to email the seller for additional information. Be sure to ask the
seller specific questions regarding age, authenticity and condition of
the item before bidding. In the unlikely event that the seller doesn't
respond, you may want to reconsider your bidding decision.
Part of this information is contained in our User Agreement, under
article 3. I have included a portion of that Article below for your
review:
"...3.1 Overview. Although we are commonly referred to as an online
auction web site, it is important to realize that we are not a
traditional "auctioneer". Instead, our site acts as a venue to allow
anyone to offer, sell, and buy just about anything, at anytime, from
anywhere, in a variety of formats, including a fixed price format and an
auction-style format commonly referred to as an "online auction". We are not involved in the actual transaction between buyers and sellers. As a result, we have no control over the quality, safety or legality of the items advertised, the truth or accuracy of the listings, the ability of sellers to sell items or the ability of buyers to buy items. We cannot
ensure that a buyer or seller will actually complete a transaction."
If you would like to review the rest of our User Agreement, please visit
the URL below:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/newtoebay...agreement.html
Please remember that our Feedback Forum is available to you to express satisfaction or displeasure regarding a transaction. This feature is a very important part of each transaction, as it is a reflection of the
business each member conducts on the site. Comments, whether positive or negative, will allow others to make educated decisions on whether they want to deal with a member.
You can access the Feedback Forum using the URL below:
http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/feedback.html
You can also quickly access the Feedback Forum by clicking on the
"services" link at the top of any eBay page, and then by clicking on the
"Feedback Forum" link also at the top of the page.
I have appreciated this opportunity to assist you. We are committed to
making everyones eBay experience safe and rewarding.
eBay Motors
Trust and Safety Department
________________________________________ _____
For our latest announcements, please check:
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/announce.shtml "
So, did you actually buy the car? Was it delivered to you via carrier?
Does the engine match? What's the interior like? Does the CarFax jive with the '86 dealership story? How far apart are you two... if you sue him the jurisdiction is in his state. Details man, we need details. Is there any light at the end of the tunnel on this deal, or are you planning to slit your wrists? Are there any folks in your neighborhood that will break his legs for ten bucks, a six pack and a bag of dope - if so, MOVE you live in a bad neighborhood... lol
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by BuckyBoy
So, did you actually buy the car? Was it delivered to you via carrier?
Does the engine match? What's the interior like? Does the CarFax jive with the '86 dealership story? How far apart are you two... if you sue him the jurisdiction is in his state. Details man, we need details.
Does the engine match? What's the interior like? Does the CarFax jive with the '86 dealership story? How far apart are you two... if you sue him the jurisdiction is in his state. Details man, we need details.
No CarFax on pre-81(?) vehicles.
Why hasn't negative feedback been left for the seller?
And...while on the subject of "tough love", ...are there any 76's worth $15k???
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From: Coming home from Luckenbach Texas
Originally Posted by TonySinclair
And...while on the subject of "tough love", ...are there any 76's worth $15k???
1976 CHEVY/CORVETTE CORVETTE COUPE
Dsp/HP Eng Fair Good Exc Show Loan
350/180 V8 4,500 9,000 14,500 17,000 8,000
Add: L82 350/210 $1k, Alloy Wheels $500, AC $1K
I think the tough love stems from the fact that we've seen all too many of these stories around here. We're frustrated because we wish folks would come and visit this forum with their questions before they buy.
As I stated previously, I've personally checked cars for forum members in other places. And one thing I've learned from experience is the car is never quite the same as the description...some things might be worse than expected, others are better!
