Does Ethanol increase or decrease the price of gas?(e-10)
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by gtsvette
So is this some kind of conspiracy with the government? 
whats the whole point of this e-10 any way then..? would it benfit us in the long run like brazil?
whats the whole point of this e-10 any way then..? would it benfit us in the long run like brazil?Brazil? I know about the hot women in Brazil, not sure about their e-10 situation, though...
Oh...IBTM to PR&C!
Racer
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From: Thief River Falls Minnesota
Originally Posted by gtsvette
would it benfit us in the long run like brazil? or is our country to big to undergo such a change?
Another problem as SHAKERATTLEROLL stated is the lack of pipelines for ethanol. Pipelines cannot be used with ethanol with the materials they are made of, the alcohol is not 100% pure, it has water in it, and causes excessive corrosion of the pipelines, so it must be put into tanker cars on trains, or into semi's for transportation, which also drives prices up for it.
The real problem with ethanol is we do not have enough of it, the processes aren't worked out fully, and we do not have the infrastructure to distribute it.
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by gtsvette
So is this some kind of conspiracy with the government? whats the whole point of this e-10 any way then..? would it benfit us in the long run like brazil? or is our country to big to undergo such a change?
whats the whole point of this e-10 any way then..? would it benfit us in the long run like brazil? or is our country to big to undergo such a change?As for conspiracy well I would just call it a little under the table money for a few people in our government.
If we get some people with brains in our goverment that care more for the people then there own pockets they could make it work. As one said it is to help reduce our dependance on imported oil.
And also as I mentioned the 20 million gallons of which they were nice enough export and yet our goverment hit them with an import tax oh how nice is that. lol.
Is there a way that our government can think of other ways to get other countries to dislike us more. I am not sure but I am sure they are working on it lol.
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by 76custompaint
I'm afraid that has nothing to do with the size of the country but the products that it produces. In brazil they grow sugar, a LOT of sugar, they have a surplus of sugar, so they take that sugar, ferment it, and then burn the sugar cane stocks to distill it. The problem with ethanol here is that corn is a very crappy way to make alcohol, it takes much more energy than it takes with sugar, and we do not use the corn stalks to distill it.. If they were using solar/wind/nuclear power to distill the ethanol, yeah sure it would be cheaper then, but as it is the production of ethanol takes 1.25 gallons of gas to produce for every 1 gallon of ethanol produced, take into account the lower BTU's of ethanol and... this isn't looking so good anymore.
Another problem as SHAKERATTLEROLL stated is the lack of pipelines for ethanol. Pipelines cannot be used with ethanol with the materials they are made of, the alcohol is not 100% pure, it has water in it, and causes excessive corrosion of the pipelines, so it must be put into tanker cars on trains, or into semi's for transportation, which also drives prices up for it.
The real problem with ethanol is we do not have enough of it, the processes aren't worked out fully, and we do not have the infrastructure to distribute it.
Another problem as SHAKERATTLEROLL stated is the lack of pipelines for ethanol. Pipelines cannot be used with ethanol with the materials they are made of, the alcohol is not 100% pure, it has water in it, and causes excessive corrosion of the pipelines, so it must be put into tanker cars on trains, or into semi's for transportation, which also drives prices up for it.
The real problem with ethanol is we do not have enough of it, the processes aren't worked out fully, and we do not have the infrastructure to distribute it.
76Custom Paint it seems as if you are paying attention to this great stuff as well.
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Originally Posted by SHAKERATTLEROLL
76Custom Paint it seems as if you are paying attention to this great stuff as well. .
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From: franklin sqaureish ny
so do u think this will every be economically viable in the furture? and all then of us will be in these little dingy flex fuel cars the size of a go cart
imagine corvettes running on freaken corn juice....
wow this sucks
imagine corvettes running on freaken corn juice....
wow this sucks
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From: franklin sqaureish ny
This was an e-mail i sent to an ethanol site
Your question submitted to http://www.drivingethanol.org has
been reviewed by our experts and the answer is below. Please
let us know if you have any other questions or comments.
Thank you for your interest in ethanol!
ethanol ... fill up. feel good.
Q: Does ethanol increase our gas prices right now? if so why and if not why. thanks
This is theReply
A: Thanks for posting your question! According to the Consumer Federation of America, consumers who purchase gasoline blended with
10 percent ethanol could be saving as much as 8 cents per gallon compared to straight gasoline. This is because Ethanol adds to the overall supply of motor fuel in the U.S. and helps keep pump prices competitive and
affordable. The blender's tax credit is usually passed down to consumers in the form of more competitive prices
at the pump. I hope this information helped answer your question, and thanks again for posting.
Can this Be true--------------> "could" be saving as much as 8 cents per gallon compared to straight gasoline
Your question submitted to http://www.drivingethanol.org has
been reviewed by our experts and the answer is below. Please
let us know if you have any other questions or comments.
Thank you for your interest in ethanol!
ethanol ... fill up. feel good.
Q: Does ethanol increase our gas prices right now? if so why and if not why. thanks
This is theReply
A: Thanks for posting your question! According to the Consumer Federation of America, consumers who purchase gasoline blended with
10 percent ethanol could be saving as much as 8 cents per gallon compared to straight gasoline. This is because Ethanol adds to the overall supply of motor fuel in the U.S. and helps keep pump prices competitive and
affordable. The blender's tax credit is usually passed down to consumers in the form of more competitive prices
at the pump. I hope this information helped answer your question, and thanks again for posting.
Can this Be true--------------> "could" be saving as much as 8 cents per gallon compared to straight gasoline
Last edited by gtsvette; May 9, 2006 at 11:37 PM.
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by gtsvette
And all then of us will be in these little dingy flex fuel cars the size of a go cart
Melting Slicks
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From: San Antonio TX
Originally Posted by gtsvette
This was an e-mail i sent to an ethanol site
Your question submitted to http://www.drivingethanol.org has
been reviewed by our experts and the answer is below. Please
let us know if you have any other questions or comments.
Thank you for your interest in ethanol!
ethanol ... fill up. feel good.
Q: Does ethanol increase our gas prices right now? if so why and if not why. thanks
This is theReply
A: Thanks for posting your question! According to the Consumer Federation of America, consumers who purchase gasoline blended with
10 percent ethanol could be saving as much as 8 cents per gallon compared to straight gasoline. This is because Ethanol adds to the overall supply of motor fuel in the U.S. and helps keep pump prices competitive and
affordable. The blender's tax credit is usually passed down to consumers in the form of more competitive prices
at the pump. I hope this information helped answer your question, and thanks again for posting.
Your question submitted to http://www.drivingethanol.org has
been reviewed by our experts and the answer is below. Please
let us know if you have any other questions or comments.
Thank you for your interest in ethanol!
ethanol ... fill up. feel good.
Q: Does ethanol increase our gas prices right now? if so why and if not why. thanks
This is theReply
A: Thanks for posting your question! According to the Consumer Federation of America, consumers who purchase gasoline blended with
10 percent ethanol could be saving as much as 8 cents per gallon compared to straight gasoline. This is because Ethanol adds to the overall supply of motor fuel in the U.S. and helps keep pump prices competitive and
affordable. The blender's tax credit is usually passed down to consumers in the form of more competitive prices
at the pump. I hope this information helped answer your question, and thanks again for posting.
Should I
now or wait till I turn 
first then lol
Melting Slicks
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From: Nashville TN
I think that email doesnt say anywhere in it that you save money using ethanol and also says the only possible way to save money using ethanol is if it forces the major oil companies to lower the cost of oil and in turn lower the cost of the gas we use.
This is because Ethanol adds to the overall supply of motor fuel in the U.S. and helps keep pump prices competitive and
affordable
affordable
Racer
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From: Thief River Falls Minnesota
Originally Posted by LittleJake
I think that email doesnt say anywhere in it that you save money using ethanol and also says the only possible way to save money using ethanol is if it forces the major oil companies to lower the cost of oil and in turn lower the cost of the gas we use.
Racer
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From: Thief River Falls Minnesota
Originally Posted by gtsvette
Soooo all these Ethanol sites are supporting themselves yet there wrong?
If you mean, by supporting themselves that they are supported by subsidies from the government, then you are right on.
http://www.taxpayer.net/energy/ethanol.htm
Melting Slicks
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gtsvette, just a few questions lol
are you writing a paper for school on ethanol and want us to do your work for you?
are you thinking about buying a flex fuel car?
are you thinking about buying a flex fuel station?
are you thinking about buying stock in flex fuel?
lol had to ask, your awefully curious about this stuff and seem to stoke the fire once the thread dies down hahaha.
No problems if you are, just curious as to where you are coming from.
are you writing a paper for school on ethanol and want us to do your work for you?
are you thinking about buying a flex fuel car?
are you thinking about buying a flex fuel station?
are you thinking about buying stock in flex fuel?
lol had to ask, your awefully curious about this stuff and seem to stoke the fire once the thread dies down hahaha.
No problems if you are, just curious as to where you are coming from.
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From: franklin sqaureish ny
well to tell u the truth i had a huge fight with my professor 2 days ago and wanted to prove her wrong on this whole ethanol crap. we went on and on ...at frist i was sure to get an F in the class then i mentioned my corvette..... then i found the soft side to the mean witch!! SHEs A CAR LOVER... 
but now ive seem to find a werid intrest in this whole fuel/ethanol/money/crazyness... it just doesnt make sense until you look at the whole picture.. and ill have some good agruments when i confront her....
but now its just a personl endeavor to see whats out there and WHY!!!
but now ive seem to find a werid intrest in this whole fuel/ethanol/money/crazyness... it just doesnt make sense until you look at the whole picture.. and ill have some good agruments when i confront her....
but now its just a personl endeavor to see whats out there and WHY!!!