If you really want to see some interesting debates on Ethanol head over to Off-Topic and do a search, good stuff. (And some not so good)

 

So basically you just said you want to do your professor and the only way to get her into your "vette" is to intrigue her with some knowlege and show her your more than a brute car guy and you can actually think for yourself. lol

Thats cool, we dont mind helping as long as your provide pics...

 

lol... no wonder we keep u around... we need a good laugh!!!

 

it is the government that wants 10% ethanol, you get about 1-2 miles less pre gallon, than straight gas. so you need to buy about 1-1.5 more gallons gas per tank full. to get the same overall mileage. now how much tax does the government get per gallon. i think i wisconsin it is around $.49 X million car a day. thats alot of extra money a day for nothing.

 

So instead of 14mpg I get 12 or 13mpg in town? Tell me, does it stink less when it burns? Freaking exhaust fumes are starting to get to me now. Would be awesome if it smelled like popcorn like those wierd diesel people do.

I say... we make canada farm something in the ozarks that we can use for energy.

 

How are they going to get to the Okarks? I assume these will be illegal immigrant Canadian field worker's?

 

Removed your pollution control devices, did you? Smog stinks...

 

Absolutely! Alcohol will burn much much cleaner, no need for any smog control, but you will get less MPH. If they ever get it perfected such as water injection and alcohol we may see a lot of changes..............LT

 

In more than one way!

If I were to lean it out a touch it probably wouldn't be so bad. But it runs so nice now that I can't complain, actually.

What I hate is I see all of these people with ****ty tin can cars that bellow black smoke from idle. If they want to control smog better they should make one of those "report smokey exhaust pipes" lines like they have in Arizona.

 

E10 was mandated due the outlawing of additive MTBE by the EPA. At 10%, I'm not sure your old vette will know the difference. The government conspiracy is all about proping up Exxon to make record profits, while subsidizing american farmers who can't sell grain.

I am all for moving to E85 for all NEW cars. If they are properly setup, the will get similar mileage, produce less emissions with less emissions equipment, put hard earned money in american farmers wallets, and tell the arab's to eat sand and drink crude oil. This was all gonna happen in the 80's until Ronald Reagan killed it by de-regulating the oil industry. All it did was delay the problem 20 years and now we are unprepared to deal with it. The real issue is the supply and distribution of Ethanol.

I believe that 90% gasoline will still be available for years to come. The changes have to phased in. There is nothing to worry about here. The cost of fuel is gonna go up for a while. We are just going to have to deal with it. By a economy car to commute in and drive the vette on nice sundays. At least thats my plan.

 

Screw economy cars, they're all ugly and boring. Motorcycles are more fun and are easier to park.

 

Any one interested in Hybrid/fuel cell/ ethanol running Vette?

 

What's driving the price of gasoline in the limited supply available. That's being controlled by the oil companies and, as a side effect, by the environmental lobbies. With the demand for gasoline high and the price per gallon high, the oil companies are not motivated to increase their refining capacity to provide more gasoline at lower prices. Why work harder to earn the same amount? The environmentalists don't want oil extracted from the ground here in the US and they don't want any additional refineries built here in the US. Beyond that they also oppose the development of nuclear power. American power plants are frequently oil fired. The electricity you get at the wall outlet came from petroleum. By opposing exploration, expansion of refining capacity and development of perfectly safe and well understood (see the French) alternative electric power sources, the greenies have put us in one big, fat jam. Unfortunately, every time someone says "clean air and clean water for the next generation" we all reach into our collective wallets and send contributions to the Sierra Club, et. al. or vote for huge amounts of government bond dollars with nebulous statements of specific purposes. That money goes into the pockets of "the representatives of the people" and we all wind up paying $4.00 at the pump because we don't have a coherent energy policy. IF we had adequate access to domestic oil and IF we had built a refinery or two in this country in the last 30 years and IF we had built some nuclear electricity generation plants since the Three Mile Island scare, we wouldn't have to be worrying about the impact of ethanol on the price of a gallon of fuel. But, we get the kind of representation in Washington that we deserve and we keep returning the same dolts to the same seats.

 

Sorry my text "economy car" is open for interpretation. My economy car is a 2000 Monte Carlo SS. 24mpg and still lot's of fun! But I don't disagree a motorcycle is a good choice in good climates and where there are competant drivers around you.

 

More like 75% of the BTU, depends on who you talk to. One issue with Ethanol is any rubber in the fuel exchange area would have to be replaced - I'm referrng to older cars here.

 

Historical Gas Prices
(Adjusted for inflation)
Year
Price Per Gallon
1950
$1.91
1955
$1.85
1960
$1.79
1965
$1.68
1970
$1.59
1975
$1.80
1980
$2.59
1985
$1.90
1990
$1.51
1995
$1.28
2001
$1.66
2002
$1.31
2003
$1.52
2004
$1.79
2005
$2.28
2006 (so far)
$2.68

would history repeat its self and our gas prices will return to the 1 dollar range? (with inflation)?

 

"http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/03/gas_ethanol.html"

Some goood stuff

 

My 2 second observations.

Hmmm...ethanol for $.70 per gal? Hmmm....ya right. Why would any company sell it for that when people would gladly pay $2.50 per gal?? Huh? The production cost is not what the selling price is...


Mandated use of ethanol has forced producers to scramble to blend specialty blends which are expensive to produce and ship. You can see the price jump 5 - 10 cents a gallon every fall when it is forced on us out here. Maybe it's cheaper back East, but not in CO...