'69 Stingray Numbers Question
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'69 Stingray Numbers Question
I have a '69 Stingray VIN 194679S701832. The deck number is 19S730612. The engine casting number is 3963512. If I understand correctly it means this motor doesn't match the car. What's curious to me is the deck number matches to a '69 427 which is what's supposed to be in the car but what is the liklihood of the previous owner blowing the motor then going out and finding a replacement motor from another Vette of the same year with the same motor? Maybe it's a warranty? Any ideas?
Also, does anyone know how to find out how many big block cars came with automatics that year. I found there were 8,161 cars with automatics but couldn't find a breakdown between small blocks and big blocks.
If it helps the car is a convertible with both soft and hard tops. No AC. 427 automatic with a Rochester carb.
Thanks!
Also, does anyone know how to find out how many big block cars came with automatics that year. I found there were 8,161 cars with automatics but couldn't find a breakdown between small blocks and big blocks.
If it helps the car is a convertible with both soft and hard tops. No AC. 427 automatic with a Rochester carb.
Thanks!
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Your numbers indicate that it not a numbers matching engine. As far as your speculation that the owner went out and bought a 427 from another vette of the same year it does seem unlikely. What perhaps is more likely is the original owner blew up his engine and put an order in at "Midnight Auto Parts" and in a short time had a 427 engine out of another vette.
It was not that uncommon in the 60's and 70's that vettes were stolen and stripped for parts especially engines. I remember reading somewhere that the Corvette was the car most likely to be stolen in that time frame. One alleged report said that insurance companies estimated that a Corvette left unattended on a New York City street had a life expectancy of less than an hour.
You could find out if that engine was stolen but you might not want to know.
It was not that uncommon in the 60's and 70's that vettes were stolen and stripped for parts especially engines. I remember reading somewhere that the Corvette was the car most likely to be stolen in that time frame. One alleged report said that insurance companies estimated that a Corvette left unattended on a New York City street had a life expectancy of less than an hour.
You could find out if that engine was stolen but you might not want to know.
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You asked if it could be a 'warranty motor'. I believe if it were, it would have a CE suffix code and a blank VIN area on the pad (at least it would have been blank when it came from Chevrolet).
Regards,
Alan
PS: You beat me Frank, thanks.
Regards,
Alan
PS: You beat me Frank, thanks.
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Frank,
I think the number you refer to is "cold Stamped" and precedes the deck number. It looks like 1091LM but may well be T091LM. The first character didn't get stamped very well. That sound like it?
I really appreciate everybody's help. Interesting comments too.
I think the number you refer to is "cold Stamped" and precedes the deck number. It looks like 1091LM but may well be T091LM. The first character didn't get stamped very well. That sound like it?
I really appreciate everybody's help. Interesting comments too.
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Just to be clear, when you say "deck number" you mean the number on the pad, right?
I don't see the concern about the replacement of a 427 with another Corvette 427. It's interesting that it is also a Corvette 427 of the same hp configuration that was originally in the car, but I don't see that replacement as "unlikely" or indicating some other issue like stolen parts. People blew up big blocks all the time. It was replaced with another Corvette big block, very possibly purchased used from someone. End of story.
Good for you. It could have a truck engine. At least it looks right.
I don't see the concern about the replacement of a 427 with another Corvette 427. It's interesting that it is also a Corvette 427 of the same hp configuration that was originally in the car, but I don't see that replacement as "unlikely" or indicating some other issue like stolen parts. People blew up big blocks all the time. It was replaced with another Corvette big block, very possibly purchased used from someone. End of story.
Good for you. It could have a truck engine. At least it looks right.
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Vettebuyer,
The number is on the passenger side on a little flat area between the front of the head and the waterpump. Is that the pad you speak of?
You're right about it being fairly correct. When I started this process I was prepared for it to be a 454 out of a truck. Thankfully it's not!
Frank,
Typo. It's T0917LM. The T sure looks like a 1 though. I confident it's a T because the bottom of the character is straight like the bottom of a T and doesn't have the little horizontal foot at the bootom like a 1 does.
The disappointment is the car is not numbers matching and that will ultimately decrease it's value and make it a little harder to sell.
The number is on the passenger side on a little flat area between the front of the head and the waterpump. Is that the pad you speak of?
You're right about it being fairly correct. When I started this process I was prepared for it to be a 454 out of a truck. Thankfully it's not!
Frank,
Typo. It's T0917LM. The T sure looks like a 1 though. I confident it's a T because the bottom of the character is straight like the bottom of a T and doesn't have the little horizontal foot at the bootom like a 1 does.
The disappointment is the car is not numbers matching and that will ultimately decrease it's value and make it a little harder to sell.
Last edited by 69stingrayconvert; Apr 19, 2008 at 07:40 PM.