GM Build records
Drifting
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That's what I was thinking too. More information will only lead to "better clones" to replace the real missing cars.
I've always felt that if a clone is done well enough and the numbers all line up - who really cares? At the point a clone is totally undetectable into perpetuity - is it still a clone? Perhaps to the guy that built it... but after that it just fades into authenticity.
-W
I've always felt that if a clone is done well enough and the numbers all line up - who really cares? At the point a clone is totally undetectable into perpetuity - is it still a clone? Perhaps to the guy that built it... but after that it just fades into authenticity.
-W
I would rather know 100% what my car is whether it be original or clone, and so any relevant info could be passed to future purchasers of my vehicle. Not everyone is dishonest and looking to get rich quick.
If I foolishly bought my car as an original and found out in fact that it is a clone.......I would have to suck that up
as I should have done my homework better in the first place :oHow is original paperwork going to assist to make a better clone
I can't imagine If and when any paperwork came to light that the caretakers of it would be giving it out to people 
I would like to think that potential recipients of the paperwork would have to jump through quite a few hoops before getting it.
Melting Slicks
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This all sounds interesting, and no doubt many of us are hopeful, as well as many are concerned. I would thing GM could stand to make a lot of money selling copies to those who want paperwork for their cars. Keeping my fingers crossed that some day.... some day.... that paperwork will be made available to us....
Melting Slicks
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From: Chester Virginia
Who has the records, old GM or the New GM. I don't know why the new GM would care about any fake Corvettes by restoreers in the past. Aren't their legal issues for this past stuff mute now. The old GM has too many problems today to even think about old Corvettes. I don't believe even money from Corvette owners exists out there for the old GM to think it would even add a drop of water to to they financial mess.
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What about warranty info?
I wonder if any warranty info was either electronic or saved longer. It seems like since the original GM warranty lasted longer than the 6 months of standard document retension, somebody had to know about each car, according to VIN, and its warranty status.
Has anyone researched this angle? How long did the original warranty last, for example in 1969?
Back in the day, if a guy who bought his car in IL, was driving through the west and had a problem, he could go to a Chevy dealer and get warranty work done, right? How did they know this guy was still under warranty, and what his car was supposed to have on it. My guess is the dealer doing the work would call via phone some warranty number in Michigan where they would hold all this info. There might be some repository for warranty info somewhere...
Has anyone researched this angle? How long did the original warranty last, for example in 1969?
Back in the day, if a guy who bought his car in IL, was driving through the west and had a problem, he could go to a Chevy dealer and get warranty work done, right? How did they know this guy was still under warranty, and what his car was supposed to have on it. My guess is the dealer doing the work would call via phone some warranty number in Michigan where they would hold all this info. There might be some repository for warranty info somewhere...
Drifting
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I wonder if any warranty info was either electronic or saved longer. It seems like since the original GM warranty lasted longer than the 6 months of standard document retension, somebody had to know about each car, according to VIN, and its warranty status.
Has anyone researched this angle? How long did the original warranty last, for example in 1969?
Back in the day, if a guy who bought his car in IL, was driving through the west and had a problem, he could go to a Chevy dealer and get warranty work done, right? How did they know this guy was still under warranty, and what his car was supposed to have on it. My guess is the dealer doing the work would call via phone some warranty number in Michigan where they would hold all this info. There might be some repository for warranty info somewhere...
Has anyone researched this angle? How long did the original warranty last, for example in 1969?
Back in the day, if a guy who bought his car in IL, was driving through the west and had a problem, he could go to a Chevy dealer and get warranty work done, right? How did they know this guy was still under warranty, and what his car was supposed to have on it. My guess is the dealer doing the work would call via phone some warranty number in Michigan where they would hold all this info. There might be some repository for warranty info somewhere...
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Y'know, there's an awful lot of talk in this thread about the release of this documentation suddenly verifying/non- verifying scores of cars, but the fact is just because the PROVENANCE of a car is proven, it does not mean that the "matching numbers" block in the car isn't a fake.
It might separate a few men from the boys, but the fakes in the hobby are not all that fleshed out.
It might separate a few men from the boys, but the fakes in the hobby are not all that fleshed out.
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The problem with accessing the known records for the earlier year Corvettes is a difference of opinion at the present time as to the ownership. There is a dispute over the records located as to whether they fall under a sphere of GM's intellectual property rights. When this is ironed out, we will then have what most of us have been waiting a long, long time for.
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The problem with accessing the known records for the earlier year Corvettes is a difference of opinion at the present time as to the ownership. There is a dispute over the records located as to whether they fall under a sphere of GM's intellectual property rights. When this is ironed out, we will then have what most of us have been waiting a long, long time for.
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The same folks who believe there are still St. Louis records to be had are also those folks who have seen Elvis recently and have been abducted on alien spacecraft [along with mutilated cows]. Give me a break.... 
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The problem with accessing the known records for the earlier year Corvettes is a difference of opinion at the present time as to the ownership. There is a dispute over the records located as to whether they fall under a sphere of GM's intellectual property rights. When this is ironed out, we will then have what most of us have been waiting a long, long time for.
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The problem with accessing the known records for the earlier year Corvettes is a difference of opinion at the present time as to the ownership. There is a dispute over the records located as to whether they fall under a sphere of GM's intellectual property rights. When this is ironed out, we will then have what most of us have been waiting a long, long time for.
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What kind of records would be available? Also, why is it such a hassle to work out an agreement on ownership of the records. Why can't one party photocopy the records and return the originals over to GM or vice-verse? Is it a money or royalty issue? I'm sure some sort of amicable arrangement could be worked out. The PHS records, Ford Marti Report, and Galen Gouvier (sp?) reports for Chrysler, Dodge, and Plymouth don't seem to have had any problems supplying this information. It all seems a little odd to me that this is taking a long time to sort out.
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I'd love to have documentation for my car since it has none to start with. I'd love to know how it actually came from the factory.
Too bad this all sounds like a "I know a guy" type situation that will never come to fruition. I hate to be that guy who is calling a bluff but I won't believe it until I see it.
Here's to hoping someone out there proves me wrong
Too bad this all sounds like a "I know a guy" type situation that will never come to fruition. I hate to be that guy who is calling a bluff but I won't believe it until I see it.
Here's to hoping someone out there proves me wrong
Melting Slicks
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That was Art Armstrong who worked at GM's legal department I believe. He had Jim Perkin's ear (who was General Mgr of Chevrolet) at the time. He indeed did a thorough search deep into the bowels of GM looking for the lost retention records. However his search did not cover areas where such a document might exist outside of GM's possessions.
Melting Slicks
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Melting Slicks
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Some good documents that give a Corvette's provenance do indeed exist, they are not located within GM. Whether these records will surface soon is up in the air for moments time.
Melting Slicks
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What kind of records would be available? Also, why is it such a hassle to work out an agreement on ownership of the records. Why can't one party photocopy the records and return the originals over to GM or vice-verse? Is it a money or royalty issue? I'm sure some sort of amicable arrangement could be worked out. The PHS records, Ford Marti Report, and Galen Gouvier (sp?) reports for Chrysler, Dodge, and Plymouth don't seem to have had any problems supplying this information. It all seems a little odd to me that this is taking a long time to sort out.