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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 06:17 PM
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GM and Chrysler in talks to merg
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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That would be a crazy development.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 07:46 PM
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I doubt it would happen unless GM + Chrysler = GM
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 07:53 PM
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I'm afraid that's the only way Chrysler can survive. They need a partner to share development costs with.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 08:13 PM
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You guys just don't 'get it' about GM. They have been so mis-managed since the dark days of Roger Smith that they haven't got a clue. Whomever would merge with them would be in real trouble pretty soon. Misery loves company..... I have great admiration for the 'giants of industry' that started GM and made it into the world's biggest and best corporation....and I have absolutely no respect for the fools that destroyed it.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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It's worse than you think 7T1, Chrysler almost burried Mercedes if they hadn't been fortunate to find a buyer (sucker). Surely that will be the end of both. /:\
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by turbojet
GM and Chrysler in talks to merg
SAY IT AIN'T SO, JOE...
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 09:22 PM
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I doubt it would happen unless GM + Chrysler = GM
Chrysler doesn't have the clout to take over GM so I think their brands would just become subsidieries of GM, like SAAB. Probably the best things Chrysler has to offer are the minivans and Jeeps. It would be interesting to see what happens to the Viper if GM takes over Chrysler.



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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27125864/

DETROIT - General Motors Corp., Chrysler LLC and Cerberus Capital Management LP have held preliminary talks about a merger or an acquisition of Chrysler by GM, according to a person familiar with the talks.

Chrysler, which is 80.1 percent owned by Cerberus, already has a joint venture with GM making a hybrid gas-electric powertrain, and has discussed a full merger or acquisition with GM, said the person, who did not want to be identified.

The Wall Street Journal, citing people it described as familiar with the discussions, reported that Cerberus, a private equity firm that also owns 51 percent of GMAC Financial Services, proposed trading Chrysler’s automotive operations to GM in exchange for GM’s remaining 49 percent stake in GMAC.
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The New York Times, also citing people familiar with the talks, reported that the automakers were discussing a merger.

GMAC, primarily an auto lender, also has significant mortgage lending operations that have been hit hard by the crisis in that industry.

The talks have stalled because of the recent turmoil in the financial markets, according to the Journal. Its sources said negotiations could resume if markets stabilize because both GM and Cerberus want to quickly divest the assets under discussion.

The negotiations between 100-year-old GM and 83-year-old Chrysler have began more than a month ago. The Times said its sources pegged the chances of a merger being completed at “50-50.”

“Without referencing this specific rumor, as we’ve often said, GM officials routinely discuss issues of mutual interest with other automakers,” GM spokesman Tony Cervone said in an e-mail.

“The company is looking at a number of potential global partnerships as it explores growth opportunities around the world,” Chrysler said in an e-mailed statement issued Friday night.

“Beyond those partnerships already announced, however, Chrysler has not formed any new agreements and has no further announcements to make at this time.”

A tie-up between the automotive giants would be historic for the industry and solidify GM’s position as the global sales leader, which it has been in danger of losing to Toyota Motor Corp. GM and Toyota finished 2007 essentially even in vehicles sold worldwide.

This would not be the first time Detroit’s automakers have explored mergers.

GM talked with DaimlerChrysler AG in 2007 about acquiring Chrysler before Cerberus made a deal to acquire most of the automaker, but the talks fell through when GM decided it should concentrate on cost savings and efficiencies by globalizing its own operations.


In 2005, GM and Ford Motor Co. reportedly held talks regarding a potential business combination.

Cerberus acquired its GMAC stake in 2006 for $14 billion and bought 80.1 percent of Chrysler from Daimler AG in August 2007 in a $7.4 billion deal. Cerberus and Daimler confirmed last month they are in talks for Cerberus to acquire Daimler’s remaining Chrysler stake.

The auto industry has been hit hard in recent weeks by the effects of the credit crisis, prompting GM and Ford to issue statements Friday to dispel the notion that they might be headed for bankruptcy.

GM and Ford shares were battered with the rest of the stock market this week, falling to lows not seen in decades.
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Maybe there will be a Corviper.
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Originally Posted by Paranoid
Maybe there will be a Corviper.
Or it could be as bad as the K-car making a come back..........K-vette.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Eddie 70
Or it could be as bad as the K-car making a come back..........K-vette.
Oh, that reminds me of what's been going on over the past couple of weeks....Do you old farts remember Jimmy Carter and the Chrysler bailout?

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...947356,00.html

Time Magazine, Aug. 29, 1979:

"The Carter Administration decided last week that now was the time to come to the aid of the nation's most beleaguered major company. After weeks of rising pressure for a federal fix for the multiplying problems of Chrysler Corp., Treasury Secretary G. William Miller produced—and Jimmy Carter approved —a Government bailout. It was designed to prevent the nation's No. 3 automaker (1978 sales: $13.6 billion) from sliding into a bankruptcy that could have put many thousands out of work and sent a shudder through U.S. financial markets. Beamed Chrysler Chairman John Riccardo "We are extremely encouraged. This fits the bill."

In his first public act at the Treasury, Miller spelled out the ideological ground rules of federal aid and warned other troubled companies against expecting similar help. Such assistance, he said, "is neither desirable nor appropriate, being contrary to the principle of free enterprise." But Chrysler was an unusual exception, he added, in which the Administration "recognizes that there is a public interest in sustaining [its] jobs and maintaining a strong and competitive national automotive industry."

Despite Chrysler's immediate enthusiasm, the Treasury package falls far short of what the company sought. It does not give Chrysler the $1 billion cash aid that some analysts insist is the minimum it needs to keep going until late next year.

That is the earliest time Chrysler can expect to make money from the new generation of front-wheel-drive compact cars now being developed by President Lee lacocca, who will replace Riccardo as chief executive by this year's end."
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 10:38 PM
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It doesn’t matter who buys who-If they continue using “union” labor neither will survive.

Look at all the carmaker’s setting up shop in the south because we’re not “union” states.

Toyota in Mississippi... BMW in SC.... Nissan in TN...

You can’t continue to pay someone 90% of their salary when they’re not building cars- then add it to the price and expect someone to buy it because it was “made in America”!
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 10:43 PM
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Nevermind...I just heard the Goverment is going to buy a large portion of GM......

They just decided they are going to 'federalize' carmaking because they think they can do it better.

The government owns houses and banks now-why not cars?

Hello Socialism....
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Every company that has "owned" the Jeep brand, ******, Kaiser-Frasier, & American Motors has gone bust. Chrysler, the current owner, has been on the ropes for years. Daimler Benz found out pretty quickly how much of a money loser Chrysler has been the past 20 or so years. In its early years Chrysler was known for it's engineering excellence, but for the past several decades their cars seem to have been kind of cheap inside and out.

Yep, 7T1vette is right, Roger Smith really ran the General into the ground. Read All Corvettes Are Red by James Schefter for an inside look at the planning process at GM. Smith's wasteful policies caused the C5 production to be delayed several years due to severe losses.

In my opinion Chrysler is dead, it's just a matter of time until it is official. Ford claims they are financially able to weather this financial storm, but time will tell. The General has had gone through severe financial difficulties in the past. Will it survive this time? We will see...

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