No matter that the legacy cost is not on the hourly wage it is still a cost of doing business for the domestics. This problem has been building for years and lot other businesses and labor has been forced to face the problem and domestic makers have finally come to the juncture of having to face it because of the financial meltdown. It had to come sooner or later. Next may be the construction unions. If you are not union and want to do public work you must pay "prevailing Wages" which is in actually Union Scale inclucing all the benefits in cash on the paycheck. Sense the benefits are paid in cash the employer must pay Social Security and insurance as taxable whereas the Union Employer does not therefore it cost the Non-Union more to employ the workers even though they are not Union. If this were not the case public work could be done at a savings of billions to the taxpayer. Thanks Mr. Big Government. We are a world economy and if you operate in a vacuum and think what is being done around the world with labor and goods it will be at your own demise. I don't like it but is a facr that cannot be denied forever. Ed

 

.................And I work for GM & Drive a BENZ !!!

 

I tried to buy a Shelby GT and they weren't dealing. The dealers are all alike...greedy. Matter of fact I had the owner of the dealership tell me that he wouldn't have any problem selling the Shelby if I didn't buy it.

Hmmmm, wonder if he still has it? He also has some Stillens, some Roushes and a Kenny Bell sitting there.

At any rate, let's not blame the manufacturers for the sins of the dealers.

cc

 

There in lies the problem. Never bite the hand that feeds you. Soon you'll be working at McDonalds driving a 72 pinto runabout.

 

68l79 i am with you all the way on this,jeeze the way people think about union workers its unbelieveable,what is it jealouy or what,i dont know, azzholes.People dont believe you should get a pension or medical benefits when you retire We work all our lives 30,40, 50 years ,the workers earned it,And another thing ,some of you people think that gm workers are rich or something,give it a break ,they make a decent wage thats it ,which falls in middle class,far from being rich.You ignorant people,**** me off so bad i just want to beat some sence in to you .Get a life and maybe try working for one of these companys and then you may understand a little better,or is the work too hard for ya.azzholes
Also im talking from a workers point of view, not union,a union is a good thing but im not fond of how some of them are run, their some times as crooked as management,or more so.

 

Geez Billy lighten up and think a little. I have no reason to believe you are not a good guy and I take your word that you work very hard and earn every dollar. But your Brotherhood of the Union insist on lumping all you guys togather and even though you do no receive the money the people setting at home drawing salary at 25 years of age and the retirees who retire at 30 years and live another 30 is sucking up the money that the companies do not have and thru intimidation by your Union have committed in the past to provide it. A lot of jobs woiuld have stayed in this country if your Union would have faced reality and worked with management a long time ago. I also blame management more than the Unions for this crisis but that does not solve the problem. The last GM plant I was in had a Union sub-office of very large size and many Union Management right in the middle of the assembly floor. These people were not contributing to the production and was a huge expense that the members had to support in addition to the local Union office people in the main Union office. They are there to shake down the company for anything they can get. I am sure you know Union members who should have been fired and maybe was but through suits and negotating with the company got them rehired. This kind of BS reflects on the rest of the good guys in the Brotherhood.

 

But would I get paid what you get paid if I did go to work for them? Or is there some sorta of a second and third tear language in your contracts that I would be paid a good bit less but doing the exact same job? Jus curious how your UAW took care of ALL the employee's

 

But American workers are working in that factory!! Oh....I'm sorry...non-union workers. I guess they don't count!!

Let's shut that darn Japanese factory down, and let those non-union auto workers work at McDonalds, right??

To me the only ones that are going to wind up in the cheese line (your words) are the members of the UAW.

 

Look at the numbers buddy. gm and ford have nearly 100 major plants in the u.s. Toyota, Honda and Nissan each have eight. Ford and GM get 80 percent of their parts from American factories,The japanese are at 45-55 percent. VW who gets three percent of their parts from the U.S. just agreed to build their first U.S. plant after getting 500 million in tax giveaways to employ 2,000 people. How do you like that? Will those 2,000 people that will work at vw count enough for you to buy a vw? American cars built in american factories.Keep U.S. dollars in the U.S. GM currently generates little if any profit selling passenger cars in north america, but they continue to stay here to employ and support americans anyway. Yet japanese companies are cutting production here and ramping up back home. According to honda president Takeo Fukai, "The time has come for our japan operations to once again take the initiative." When the **** hits the fan do you think the japanese or american factories will suffer? WAKE UP AMERICA.

 

The last time I saw numbers a great deal of so called domestic cars had a great deal of imported parts. Remember a few months ago when some major supplier of domestic parts (I thing and axle company) union went on strike and put a large part of the domestic auto industry out of production for weeks? That is BS and that is typical of the union. Brotherhood my Axx go to work. Ed

 

I'm not sure where your going with this ed.(with all the misspelling) But i think your saying my numbers are not accurate.You seem to have a huge hate for the U.A.W. And that eddie is tipical of management.Ed you seem to be a pretty smart fella, You just offer all your opinions from a management point of view. Look at it from a blue collar point of view. Come out of your air conditioned office and get your hands dirty.
Investigate the numbers because they are accurate.
Happy Thanksgiving

 

Yes you would get paid the same ,thats the way my union works,And I am a steel worker not GM worker,but we are simular.My father was a GM worker,he retired 10 years ago.Unions are a great organization,they work for the workers and their rights,but also i have seen alot of bad people that work in the union.Do you know if you were not unionized i could work for 25,26,years and for no reason a employer could fire me just because,to keep from paying a pension or a bonus,etc.

And ED im not mad at you,you just see things from a management side,you said earlier that you did understand union workers and you thought it was a good thing,if it werent for the bad apples in the union ,i can agree with you there,but you cant just lump us all in together,its wrong and not right.

 

I'd work at Mcdonalds anytime, i am just affraid to get fired for eating all the burgers

The problem is, that if they made the same quality, ride, drive, fashionable styling, engineering, comfort, reliability & resale i might consider an American car, but they have failed me way too many times...........sounds like it's their problem not mine. I'm free to drive what i want to drive, & it's obvious that there are many others that feel the same way.............or "GM" wouldnt be in this situation................

 

Gm is in this situation because of the retirees it has. If the UAW in the late 70's didn't push for all these packages the big 3 would be the best. If we all want a great retirement do your part, yes we all free to what we want but that doesn't we are making the right choice for the US in the long run and thats what its about. Being a Proud American and standing up for the country, Whats happening now is the people are letting the country down so guess what in return it lets you down.

 

YEAH i'm JEALOUS ...........i'd rather be a UNION worker, you guessed it !!!


it's quite obvious your an unperpaid, disgruntled union worker with a bone to pick.......

I never said union workers are rich, i'm stating in many cases they are way overpaid, for their uneducated, common skills & the union protects them. I believe that a union should protect people from being taken advbantage of, but not in place to force companies to have to pay INSANE wages for mindless jobs.

THE U.A.W is whats killing GM................

 

You are free to drive whatever you like. But your "I work for gm and drive a benz" with all those smiley faces rubs me the wrong way. And i'm free not to like it. That's part of living in the good ole U.S.A.
NEVER BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU. Oh and by the way i'll give you resale but thats it. And if those japanese pieces of **** are all you say they are, why are you worried about resale? They last forever, Don't they?

 

The unions have gotten way out of control and have but a real hurting on the american companies, Not just the auto industry but all the workforce in the US

 

And you call me mr. class. You say your 100% commission. So you don't work for a living,you bull****. You sure know alot about being an autoworker for somebody who sells cars, and has probably never stepped foot in an assembly plant. How much of an education does it take to do your job? I would say your grossly overpaid if your driving a BENZ.:): flag:

 

Let it go 68L79, sixpack is just that ,a sixpack of BUD .
Hes a total jackass ,and believes hes better then everybody else syndrome,unbelieveable soon he will say all the worlds problems are because of GM UNION WORKERS And yes ,you are jealous,its very abvious from the way you talk.

 

Billy, I thank you for your support.