GM Shipping Record Breakthrough
Melting Slicks
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From: Austin Tx
"The second service is the CORVETTE DOCUMENT VALIDATION. NCRS will compare any of your GM documents to the GM records contained in the Shipping Report and if verification can be achieved, will establish the authenticity of your factory documents. Unfortunately, the shipping report does not contain the vehicle options. A letter containing the information you request will be mailed to your NCRS address on record"
Should sort out some of the bogus tank or window stickers.
Should sort out some of the bogus tank or window stickers.
Are they saying they have access to more data on the shipping report than what they are providing to you if you order the shipping report thru them? This might make sense, otherwise someone could just join NCRS, get the shipping report, and create bogus tank sheet from that. And then, the NCRS validation service would be worthless. If that's the case, I wonder what data they are holding back?
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Melting Slicks
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Vette 758702,
Yes, I know how Corvette owners can be about information. Original type docs will eventually become available. We just have to be patient and wait for the party to secure them before they can be released.
Z10kl,
No this is not the same people, although I applaud NCRS for being dilligent and not becoming a naysayer and just giving up on locating any and all sources for obtaining records on the Corvettes we all dearly admire. What they have located will certainly be of interest to many Corvette owners, including myself.
Yes, I know how Corvette owners can be about information. Original type docs will eventually become available. We just have to be patient and wait for the party to secure them before they can be released.
Z10kl,
No this is not the same people, although I applaud NCRS for being dilligent and not becoming a naysayer and just giving up on locating any and all sources for obtaining records on the Corvettes we all dearly admire. What they have located will certainly be of interest to many Corvette owners, including myself.
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"The second service is the CORVETTE DOCUMENT VALIDATION. NCRS will compare any of your GM documents to the GM records contained in the Shipping Report and if verification can be achieved, will establish the authenticity of your factory documents. Unfortunately, the shipping report does not contain the vehicle options. A letter containing the information you request will be mailed to your NCRS address on record"
Should sort out some of the bogus tank or window stickers.
Should sort out some of the bogus tank or window stickers.
Melting Slicks
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From: Austin Tx
It would seem all a forger would need to do is send in a fee to buy the shipping record, then modify the bogus tank sticker to match. Still don't understand what they will verify which can't be found on the documents they are offering. Unless they have some info they're not sharing for some reason. Info they'll only confirm if the requestor has some original documents or alleged original documents. Other than dealer the vehicle was delivered to and date, what other info could they validate? They claim they do not have option records...
See post #21
Melting Slicks
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Hi
It all sounds like that NCRS has more info available as they like to share with us. Can't see what for ?
What could I do to my car if I knew it never was a BB ? Fake a ordinary SB car ?
I just hope that early shark is right and someone with common sense comes up with usable info.
Rgds. Günther
It all sounds like that NCRS has more info available as they like to share with us. Can't see what for ?
What could I do to my car if I knew it never was a BB ? Fake a ordinary SB car ?
I just hope that early shark is right and someone with common sense comes up with usable info.
Rgds. Günther
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Melting Slicks
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Hi
As I mentioned B4, my colleagues 77 shipping info contains the car options as well.
Why not this shipping documents ?
And yes, I am also waiting for a NCRS member to bring some light into this.
Brgds. Günther
As I mentioned B4, my colleagues 77 shipping info contains the car options as well.
Why not this shipping documents ?
And yes, I am also waiting for a NCRS member to bring some light into this.
Brgds. Günther
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Warren...hope your fine! So, am I getting this correct... I have my build sheet along with dealer #...which in my case, has gone out of business long ago. So, the info I would recieve from NCRS would have no benifit to me?
Thanks! Muddy
So, am I getting this correct... I have my build sheet along with dealer #...which in my case, has gone out of business long ago. So, the info I would recieve from NCRS would have no benifit to me? Thanks! Muddy
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What I don't understand it this - the "DOCUMENT VALIDATION" service says that they verify your documents against the data in the Shipping Report. Why pay for that service, when for the same $40, you could use the "SHIPPING DATA REPORT" service, and verify the data yourself?
Are they saying they have access to more data on the shipping report than what they are providing to you if you order the shipping report thru them? This might make sense, otherwise someone could just join NCRS, get the shipping report, and create bogus tank sheet from that. And then, the NCRS validation service would be worthless. If that's the case, I wonder what data they are holding back?
Are they saying they have access to more data on the shipping report than what they are providing to you if you order the shipping report thru them? This might make sense, otherwise someone could just join NCRS, get the shipping report, and create bogus tank sheet from that. And then, the NCRS validation service would be worthless. If that's the case, I wonder what data they are holding back?
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I am an NCRS member. I know no more about this than anybody else- just what I read (and not read into it) .
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MAYBE: they do have more info then they are offering to just anyone, & are requesting that if you have documents & forward them copies, then & only then are they willing to authenticate them & provide additonal info. That appears the only way to get more info from them as they are not making it public to just anyone. ( The info on the shipping docs ) ........only the dealer codes, dealer names & locations & date of production. You want more, you gotta have something to authenticate / match up. Maybe just maybe thats they way around the system !!! a loophold of sorts.........??? THOUGHTS ?
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One of my cars also has the Corvette Order Copy document, but the zone # and dealer code were not listed in the previous NCRS data base. So from what I read on the sticky thread at the NCRS discussion board is that their new information would provide this additional new information that in my particular case is unknown, if I were interested.
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This time around, I'll wait for the official announcement, but I am curious as to what your definition of "original type" might be.
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The NCRS is a great organization, but it is also a business. What business would hold back ground shattering information, if it could sell it for more money? For example, if the original build sheets were found, how much would you pay for a notarized copy of your VIN? $40? $100? $1000? I guarantee there would be a lot of takers at even $1000, as a verified build sheet would increase the value of a real car by so much more.
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