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Old Mar 29, 2011 | 01:12 AM
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I have serious hesitation at high RPMs... thought it was fuel, but it's got good fuel pressure and a new filter.

I can tool around the city no problem, but whenever I hit higher RPMs I lose power, it almost stalls out.

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Whatever the problem is, isn't a vacuum leak.

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The two areas that can have symptoms like those you mentioned are: fuel and ignition. If the problem is fuel related, it will be something that causes the fuel supply to be limited so that there isn't enough fuel flow to support higher rpm operation. One of the diagnostic tests that you can use is to put the car in a lower gear and run up the rpms fairly slowly (not WOT) with a lesser throttle setting. If you can run cleanly at high rpms there...but not at WOT...then your problem is likely to be fuel limitation. Possible sources are plugged fuel filter, kinked rubber fuel line at pump or tank, float/needle valve problem in carb, 'sock' filter in fuel tank plugged/gummed up, weak fuel pump.

When you do the diagnostic test (above) and it shows that the car still jerks/shudders when you get to higher rpms, that would indicate an ignition problem. If you have a points system, faults could be bad condenser/points/cap/wires/plugs, bad/leaky coil, poor distributor ground, poor connections on power feed to coil/distributor. If you have an electronic ignition module or H.E.I. distributor system, the electronic module is likely the culprit.

Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
The two areas that can have symptoms like those you mentioned are: fuel and ignition. If the problem is fuel related, it will be something that causes the fuel supply to be limited so that there isn't enough fuel flow to support higher rpm operation. One of the diagnostic tests that you can use is to put the car in a lower gear and run up the rpms fairly slowly (not WOT) with a lesser throttle setting. If you can run cleanly at high rpms there...but not at WOT...then your problem is likely to be fuel limitation. Possible sources are plugged fuel filter, kinked rubber fuel line at pump or tank, float/needle valve problem in carb, 'sock' filter in fuel tank plugged/gummed up, weak fuel pump.

When you do the diagnostic test (above) and it shows that the car still jerks/shudders when you get to higher rpms, that would indicate an ignition problem. If you have a points system, faults could be bad condenser/points/cap/wires/plugs, bad/leaky coil, poor distributor ground, poor connections on power feed to coil/distributor. If you have an electronic ignition module or H.E.I. distributor system, the electronic module is likely the culprit.

Hope that helps.
"kinked rubber fuel line at pump or tank,"

You may have nailed it here... I had a mechanic just pull the tank down and put in new hoses they must not have tested it under serious power... I'll take it back and have them take a look. THANKS! (Again.)
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The usual place for such kinking is at the hose at the inlet of the fuel pump. It has an "S" shape to it, but folks don't like to buy the molded hose. If a piece of straight hose is used there, it often kinks at the curves in the "S" segments.
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
The usual place for such kinking is at the hose at the inlet of the fuel pump. It has an "S" shape to it, but folks don't like to buy the molded hose. If a piece of straight hose is used there, it often kinks at the curves in the "S" segments.

They should spend the few extra $$ for the correct "S" curve lines (2) and be done with it. Ask me how I know.
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Originally Posted by mikejpss

They should spend the few extra $$ for the correct "S" curve lines (2) and be done with it. Ask me how I know.
This is great you guys, THANK YOU, now I have something to go back to them with... the symptom perfectly matches a kinked hose, just enough gas to tool around at 20 mph, but as soon as I punch it it sputters and actually today it stalled, just like it was out of gas, once the gas pressure builds back up it starts again and I can cruise at 20 mph again.
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
The usual place for such kinking is at the hose at the inlet of the fuel pump. It has an "S" shape to it, but folks don't like to buy the molded hose. If a piece of straight hose is used there, it often kinks at the curves in the "S" segments.
Is the fuel line inlet is at the bottom of the tank? Can I see it without removing the tank?
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The "S" shaped line is at the inlet of the fuel pump (bottom-front/right on the engine). It connects the [steel] fuel feed line to the fuel pump. There is a rubber hose connection between the fuel tank and that same steel line at the right rear. It runs from the bottom of the tank at the [fuel gauge 'sender' location] to the line which runs along the top of the right-side frame box.
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Turns out there was something in my fuel tank... the mechanic filtered some gas and found fibers in the fuel, it almost looked like fiberglass insulation.

We had to pull out the tank and clean to fuel system. $600 later and everything is running better, but I think I need to rebuild the carb now... it's never been done so it's about time anyway.

Thanks for the advice... came down to a bad tank of gas.

Could anything have fallen into the tank after they pulled and replaced the tank the first time?
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
The two areas that can have symptoms like those you mentioned are: fuel and ignition. If the problem is fuel related, it will be something that causes the fuel supply to be limited so that there isn't enough fuel flow to support higher rpm operation. One of the diagnostic tests that you can use is to put the car in a lower gear and run up the rpms fairly slowly (not WOT) with a lesser throttle setting. If you can run cleanly at high rpms there...but not at WOT...then your problem is likely to be fuel limitation. Possible sources are plugged fuel filter, kinked rubber fuel line at pump or tank, float/needle valve problem in carb, 'sock' filter in fuel tank plugged/gummed up, weak fuel pump.

When you do the diagnostic test (above) and it shows that the car still jerks/shudders when you get to higher rpms, that would indicate an ignition problem. If you have a points system, faults could be bad condenser/points/cap/wires/plugs, bad/leaky coil, poor distributor ground, poor connections on power feed to coil/distributor. If you have an electronic ignition module or H.E.I. distributor system, the electronic module is likely the culprit.

Hope that helps.
i'd like to add something to the above. i have seen an engine act like that with gummy, sticking valves. runs great at lower speeds, but upon acceleration to a higher level of rpm, the vacuum gauges starts floating all over the place and eventually go to next to nothing. release the throttle and the engine vacuum returns to normal steady levels. just something else to consider. i certainly wouldn't pull the head off until i was convinced that every other possibility had been eliminated. i just saw my mechanic go through this with a GMC motorhome he was working on (with a 455 BB in it).
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