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Old May 26, 2012 | 08:25 AM
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After opening the system and letting air in it how long should it take, with engine running to completely get vacuum in the system to operate the headlights? BTW its a 77 vette
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Old May 26, 2012 | 08:38 AM
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About 10 seconds, unless the engine has a high lift, lots of overlap cam....then the headlights may never open.
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OK - I found that to be funny.

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Old May 26, 2012 | 08:53 AM
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When these cars were new, they could be left overnight and still have enough vacuum to open the headlights without starting the engine.

There's the line in the sand.
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Old May 26, 2012 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
When these cars were new, they could be left overnight and still have enough vacuum to open the headlights without starting the engine.

There's the line in the sand.
Mike, are you serious here?
I get about a 10 second window after parking to get them down.
And it's been that way since '78. To me that's "normal".

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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
When these cars were new, they could be left overnight and still have enough vacuum to open the headlights without starting the engine.

There's the line in the sand.
and that includes the ones with the wiper door.
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Originally Posted by Clams Canino
Mike, are you serious here?
I get about a 10 second window after parking to get them down.
And it's been that way since '78. To me that's "normal".

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I had not started my 79 for about 8 years and I was sitting in the drivers seat and for some reason I yanked on the overide switch under the dash and pop! up go the lights.
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Originally Posted by JPGearjammer
I had not started my 79 for about 8 years and I was sitting in the drivers seat and for some reason I yanked on the overide switch under the dash and pop! up go the lights.
Most of the ones I repair will do that.
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
When these cars were new, they could be left overnight and still have enough vacuum to open the headlights without starting the engine.

There's the line in the sand.
And if they don't.. you have a leak in the system somewhere or a defective check valve....
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I have left my car off for a week or more and the lights will still pop up without running the engine.
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Old May 28, 2012 | 03:59 PM
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For you guys that cannot raise or lower the lights without the engine running- this means that you have a serious, non-stop vacuum leak that is affecting the A/F ratio to the cylinders near the vacuum port.
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This is a not a hard job to replace all the vacuum lines in the headlight system. I have seen the little round filters (up near the cowl) cracked
and leaking air, seen a small pinhole in hoses. Sometimes a devil to track down, easier to replace them all instead of one-by-one.
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I vote for electric. Less crap to get in the way, less weight on an already too-heavy car.
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What about closing? Mine will not close unless the car is on. I have never tried to open them.
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What about closing? Mine will not close unless the car is on. I have never tried to open them.
Same. Should open and close once or twice with the engine off.
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Except for those vacuum lines that 'see' sunlight or extremely high heat, the vacuum lines themselves are rarely the problem with your vacuum system. The most probable causes for significant vacuum leaks are:

#1 vacuum hose(s) pulled off or left off of a fitting.

#2 seals that are internal to vacuum components (ie, headlight relays, wiper safety switch, etc) are worn out and leaking.

#3 defective components like the wiper door solenoid/valve (behind tach...'68-72 only) or the check valve in the vacuum feed line from the intake manifold.

#4 heater control head vacuum manifold leakage (#1-#3 all can apply here, too).

This all sounds really complicated, until you learn that anything that operates with vacuum is merely an "ON/OFF" switch...it either passes vacuum or it seals vacuum. So checking any vacuum component is as simple as applying vacuum and seeing if it seals or not. Troubleshooting vacuum systems is easier than on electrical system. You just need to buy a little booklet on how these systems work and how to diagnose them. A simple vacuum gauge is a 'must'; they are available at all auto supply stores.
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I have a leak and EVERYTHING is new except whats under the dash. Goin in again

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