68 water leaks
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68 water leaks
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New to the forum here. I'm looking for help on some water leaks. I have a 68. Installed new crc door mains and rear edge glass strips. Good fit after many hours. water is coming in at the rear edge of the door glass. There is a large gap between the edge of the glass and the edge of the window slot on the door. The gap is big enough to insert a pencil. The water comes in. hits the door latch, runs out the striker cut out, down between the door panel & door, onto the sill plate, and finally under the carpet behind the seats. it looks as if something is missing. The molded ends of the original w/s were missing. I assumed the new w/s would fill this gap. I had a look at a '69 today and the molded ends filled this gap. But, I know a '68 is a one year only w/s.
Does anyone know about the 68 door outer window "V" seal. Zip part # WS-4494 .
I understand this is a 68 item only? I do not see where they would have been on the door. As far as I know the window "fuzzies" are original. i can't find them in the assy manual either.
Not sure how to post pics on here?
thanks for any help...
New to the forum here. I'm looking for help on some water leaks. I have a 68. Installed new crc door mains and rear edge glass strips. Good fit after many hours. water is coming in at the rear edge of the door glass. There is a large gap between the edge of the glass and the edge of the window slot on the door. The gap is big enough to insert a pencil. The water comes in. hits the door latch, runs out the striker cut out, down between the door panel & door, onto the sill plate, and finally under the carpet behind the seats. it looks as if something is missing. The molded ends of the original w/s were missing. I assumed the new w/s would fill this gap. I had a look at a '69 today and the molded ends filled this gap. But, I know a '68 is a one year only w/s.
Does anyone know about the 68 door outer window "V" seal. Zip part # WS-4494 .
I understand this is a 68 item only? I do not see where they would have been on the door. As far as I know the window "fuzzies" are original. i can't find them in the assy manual either.
Not sure how to post pics on here?
thanks for any help...
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have you tried to adjust the window glass to fit tighter. also Corvettes were never known to be water tight
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You can find the fuzzies in the AIM UPC 1 K3 H149
Door Weatherstrip on UPC 1 K6 H152
If you haven't found your answer by tomorrow I will take a look at my 68 and try to help. It does need new weatherstrip. Could you post a pic of the water leak area? Oh I see where you said you don't know how to post pics.
Door Weatherstrip on UPC 1 K6 H152
If you haven't found your answer by tomorrow I will take a look at my 68 and try to help. It does need new weatherstrip. Could you post a pic of the water leak area? Oh I see where you said you don't know how to post pics.
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There is also a section in the AIM outlining window glass setting and adjustment. Do you have the same leak on both doors? I am wondering whether the door glass needs to move rearward a little. How is the seal at the front of the glass?
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Got to the garage and took some pics. I am not a pro when it comes to taking pics. Will post as soon as I can. But I think you are talking about the inside fuzzie being to short. It is shorter than the outside one. There should be weatherstriping held in place by a screw filling the gap.
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Door panel removed and no weatherstrip. You can see the mounting screw
Panel removed and old weatherstrip in place. I think this is what you are missing.
You can see the different in fuzzie lengths and the weatherstrip.
Same as above different angle.
Sorry some pics are not clear
. The weatherstriping is about 1 1/4 by 1 1/4 inch. Hope this helps
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Thank you all for the help. Still can't figure out posting pics. "Insert Image" takes me to a url??
cgc, In your first pic is that rubber at the 9:00 position? It looks like it touches the end of the outside fuzzie? In you'r last pic, It looks like the molded end comes around to the edge of the window? 1:00 position, just to the left of "Craftsman". This area is where I have the leak. Your door looks the same as mine. I have a feeling the molded end of the WS should wrap around the rear edge of the window as it does in the front. My original ends were gone so I can't compare.
I found the fuzzies, WS, adj procedure, etc in the manual. I was referring to the outer "Wipes" or outer V seal. Wilcox #D332L
It doesn't look like your door has these wipes either.
cgc, In your first pic is that rubber at the 9:00 position? It looks like it touches the end of the outside fuzzie? In you'r last pic, It looks like the molded end comes around to the edge of the window? 1:00 position, just to the left of "Craftsman". This area is where I have the leak. Your door looks the same as mine. I have a feeling the molded end of the WS should wrap around the rear edge of the window as it does in the front. My original ends were gone so I can't compare.
I found the fuzzies, WS, adj procedure, etc in the manual. I was referring to the outer "Wipes" or outer V seal. Wilcox #D332L
It doesn't look like your door has these wipes either.
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Thank you all for the help. Still can't figure out posting pics. "Insert Image" takes me to a url??
cgc, In your first pic is that rubber at the 9:00 position? It looks like it touches the end of the outside fuzzie?
sorry for the poor pics. No, it's a hole where the end of the w/s should be. Below the hole is the mounting screw for the end of the w/s.
In you'r last pic, It looks like the molded end comes around to the edge of the window? 1:00 position, just to the left of "Craftsman". This area is where I have the leak. Your door looks the same as mine. I have a feeling the molded end of the WS should wrap around the rear edge of the window as it does in the front. My original ends were gone so I can't compare.
You are right it does wrap around like the front. You can see it better in the second pic. The end of the w/s is about a 1 1/4 by 1 1/4 inch square that covers the hole in the first pic.
I found the fuzzies, WS, adj procedure, etc in the manual. I was referring to the outer "Wipes" or outer V seal. Wilcox #D332L
It doesn't look like your door has these wipes either.
cgc, In your first pic is that rubber at the 9:00 position? It looks like it touches the end of the outside fuzzie?
sorry for the poor pics. No, it's a hole where the end of the w/s should be. Below the hole is the mounting screw for the end of the w/s.
In you'r last pic, It looks like the molded end comes around to the edge of the window? 1:00 position, just to the left of "Craftsman". This area is where I have the leak. Your door looks the same as mine. I have a feeling the molded end of the WS should wrap around the rear edge of the window as it does in the front. My original ends were gone so I can't compare.
You are right it does wrap around like the front. You can see it better in the second pic. The end of the w/s is about a 1 1/4 by 1 1/4 inch square that covers the hole in the first pic.
I found the fuzzies, WS, adj procedure, etc in the manual. I was referring to the outer "Wipes" or outer V seal. Wilcox #D332L
It doesn't look like your door has these wipes either.
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Hi,
Here are some pictures from my 71. Do any of them apply to a 68? Perhaps they'll give you some ideas about your situation.
The outer glass seal for a convertible is shorter than the one for a coupe, do you have the right one?
Good Luck!
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Here are some pictures from my 71. Do any of them apply to a 68? Perhaps they'll give you some ideas about your situation.
The outer glass seal for a convertible is shorter than the one for a coupe, do you have the right one?
Good Luck!
Regards,
Alan
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I have a '71 coupe and there is a small section of weatherstipping at the rear of the door that goes behind the back edge of the glass. This seals the rear edge of the glass when the window is fully UP.
Alan71's photos show this piece of the door seal and your car appears to have no seal in that area. It's possible that the door seal was not installed correctly in that area; or perhaps you were sent an incorrect seal...I don't really know.
From the parts catalogs, I see that the rear window seal (on the pillar) has two different configurations. Perhaps that change was made because of the leakage at the rear of the window. [Again, I am just guessing on this one.] Interesting that there is not a '68 early & late door weatherstrip to match.
I suspect you need to contact someone in NCRS to understand the differences in the available weatherstrips for the 1968 cars and how they are properly installed. But, there is definitely something "missing" at the rear of your window glass.
Alan71's photos show this piece of the door seal and your car appears to have no seal in that area. It's possible that the door seal was not installed correctly in that area; or perhaps you were sent an incorrect seal...I don't really know.
From the parts catalogs, I see that the rear window seal (on the pillar) has two different configurations. Perhaps that change was made because of the leakage at the rear of the window. [Again, I am just guessing on this one.] Interesting that there is not a '68 early & late door weatherstrip to match.
I suspect you need to contact someone in NCRS to understand the differences in the available weatherstrips for the 1968 cars and how they are properly installed. But, there is definitely something "missing" at the rear of your window glass.
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Thanks for the pics Alan. It looks like the molded end of the W/S butts up against the rubber outer window wipe forming a seal.
I got the W/S from zip and they are "looking into it". They've been lookin for quite some time now. It is crc W/S. The molded ends do look the same as CGC's pics, so I am assuming it is right.
The rear edge post strip was identical to the original I removed.
Does anyone know about the outer rubber wipes. I've looked through some old threads and some say they came with them, others say they did not. I can't find any sign of them ever being there. They are not shown in the assy manual. I'm wondering if this was a mid or late year fix? I'm thinking this is part of my problem... http://www.zip-corvette.com/ProductD...GR-SR&CTitle=&
I got the W/S from zip and they are "looking into it". They've been lookin for quite some time now. It is crc W/S. The molded ends do look the same as CGC's pics, so I am assuming it is right.
The rear edge post strip was identical to the original I removed.
Does anyone know about the outer rubber wipes. I've looked through some old threads and some say they came with them, others say they did not. I can't find any sign of them ever being there. They are not shown in the assy manual. I'm wondering if this was a mid or late year fix? I'm thinking this is part of my problem... http://www.zip-corvette.com/ProductD...GR-SR&CTitle=&
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Unless I am mistaken, the seal you are looking for is molded into the rear end of the main door seal. That end piece is screwed to the rear jamb of the door, just behind where the edge of the window rolls up (and rearward). And I don't see it in your photos. It's clearly there in Alan71's photos.
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Unless I am mistaken, the seal you are looking for is molded into the rear end of the main door seal. That end piece is screwed to the rear jamb of the door, just behind where the edge of the window rolls up (and rearward). And I don't see it in your photos. It's clearly there in Alan71's photos.
Thanks for the help..
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68 door weatherstrips were all alone and both coupe can conv. used the same weatherstrip. It has and end on it that is smaller than the 1969-1976 style weatherstrip. You can see a picture of the end in this picture. (upper left). The forward molded end is the same from 1968-1977 on all cars coupe or conv. In 1969 the rear end changed and there were two designs.. coupe and conv.
I don't think this is his problem unless this end is missing from the rubber. Can you post a picture of the end?
We need to find DZrick and Schmokey.. see if they can post some pics..
I don't think this is his problem unless this end is missing from the rubber. Can you post a picture of the end?
We need to find DZrick and Schmokey.. see if they can post some pics..
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OK. I just saw this post. Went and got pics for you. These are just at the back of the window where I think you wanted.
With the window closed.
Window open.
If you need more pics just let me know.
shmoky
With the window closed.
Window open.
If you need more pics just let me know.
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He's missing the outer rubber wipe.. Can you show one a bit closer on the end of the door showing the outside with the window down Shmoky..
hope this helps
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Wilcox & shmoky, Thank you X3 for the help.. Mine looks the same except for the outer wipe.
Shmoky, In your pic with the window up, I do see a gap at the rear edge of the window & the top of the door. I would think that the molded end of the W/S would come around and fill this gap to keep the water out. I was thinking my molded end was incorrect but it's not. Looks the same as the pic Wilcox posted. I guess thats the way it is. Probably why it was changed in 69. Do you have a outer window "Fuzzy" on your car? It doesn't look like it in the pic.
I do not see any sign of my car ever having the outer rubber wipe.
I'll order them up and see what happens.
Shmoky, In your pic with the window up, I do see a gap at the rear edge of the window & the top of the door. I would think that the molded end of the W/S would come around and fill this gap to keep the water out. I was thinking my molded end was incorrect but it's not. Looks the same as the pic Wilcox posted. I guess thats the way it is. Probably why it was changed in 69. Do you have a outer window "Fuzzy" on your car? It doesn't look like it in the pic.
I do not see any sign of my car ever having the outer rubber wipe.
I'll order them up and see what happens.