Totally offtopic - Ferrari Testarossa
01-28-2013, 06:03 PM
#41
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We had dyno days here in town. I have never seen a ferrari in iowa coty before. A guy was there with his F40. I have always lusted afte those cars and could not believe I was standing next to one, I was talking to the owner when the dyno guy said they could not run it because it was too low to strap down. He paused and said " I'll go get my testarossa. Sure enough he came back with a 512.
He ran it on the dyno. I think he hit 140 in second gear if I remember right. I was standing beside the drivers door when he did the run. He laughed and said Ferrari owners have a joke that they can break any speed limit in the u s in first gear. Don't know if that is still true since they raised them some since then.
We were looking at the engine.. Which is pure car ****.. And the dyno guy asked him now big the engine was.. Oddly enough he did not know. I told him it was a five liter. He said really? I told him 5 Liters, 12 cylinders, testarossa.. 512 TR. he laughed.
Anyway I had read that the cam belts needed changing fairly often in the testarossa and it was a major expense since they are up against the firewall and you have to tear the car down to do it. I asked him about it and he said there is a guy in Chicago that will do it for five grand. Ouch. I guess that is cheap.
Great car though.
Btw the Daytona they used on Miami vice was a 1980 vette. Or so it is claimed.
He ran it on the dyno. I think he hit 140 in second gear if I remember right. I was standing beside the drivers door when he did the run. He laughed and said Ferrari owners have a joke that they can break any speed limit in the u s in first gear. Don't know if that is still true since they raised them some since then.
We were looking at the engine.. Which is pure car ****.. And the dyno guy asked him now big the engine was.. Oddly enough he did not know. I told him it was a five liter. He said really? I told him 5 Liters, 12 cylinders, testarossa.. 512 TR. he laughed.
Anyway I had read that the cam belts needed changing fairly often in the testarossa and it was a major expense since they are up against the firewall and you have to tear the car down to do it. I asked him about it and he said there is a guy in Chicago that will do it for five grand. Ouch. I guess that is cheap.
Great car though.
Btw the Daytona they used on Miami vice was a 1980 vette. Or so it is claimed.
I like your story, pictures don't give these cars justice
01-28-2013, 06:12 PM
#42
Racer
Some people just don't think like that.
With this car you'd basically have to have the know how or be ready to drop some major bucks just to pull the engine.
The flood history hurts the value, so having a well done drivetrain swap may actually help. Go with an LSx swap.
Here's one done in a 360
With this car you'd basically have to have the know how or be ready to drop some major bucks just to pull the engine.
The flood history hurts the value, so having a well done drivetrain swap may actually help. Go with an LSx swap.
Here's one done in a 360
flat12 to V8 I can't even imagine! how do engine mounts look and where they at in a flat 12
is the trans behind the engine or in front?I guess dry sump with low profile pan would be mandatory, but the cost of all the mods would be huge, might as well spend 20k on a working flat12 from a wreck? or rebuild and keep the value of a Ferrari not a kit car
If all above fails a first gen. VW beetle engine should fit just fine!
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01-29-2013, 12:17 AM
#46
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Thread Starter
Just checked with the guys at shipping company and after months of seeing nothing but Toyotas and Hondas, they are excited even more than myself 
01-29-2013, 01:01 PM
#47
Melting Slicks
I'm sure Ferrari would be willing repair it for a small fortune. Would make a fun project car. I would want to repair/restore it, though that will be pricey, even if you can do the work yourself.
01-30-2013, 09:20 AM
#49
Burning Brakes
Ferrari parts are extremely expensive, TR parts prices are beyond imigination.
As an example one new replacement brake disk for a TR cost between $502 and $672 depending on the year and type..
Make those prices work for you: Part it out.
As an example one new replacement brake disk for a TR cost between $502 and $672 depending on the year and type..
Make those prices work for you: Part it out.
02-03-2013, 08:37 AM
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Just readed an article in a vintage magazine about this car.
It has a flat V12, not a boxer. The crank makes the difference
But the important thing i wanted to tell you was, that many parts are not available anymore. The contacts in the plugs are known to rust, spare parts are not available! So you may need to replace all plugs and so on. This will really look bubba.
Additional the ignition control system is very sensitive to water. You dont want to know what that costs
Parts of the interieur are also no longer available.
They worte that many cars with minor defects are taken appart to deliver parts for others.
I think this is what will happen to this car. For a averrage person its not possible to get this thing back to life, it will be just too expensive.
And if it runs - you know the thing about the 20k-miles belt, the clutch lasts only 40k miles, the gearbox is known for breaking when you make to many burnouts.
And then there are so many addition parts in it that could break...2 gas pumps, 2 bosch fuel injection systems and and and...
This thing is not made to keep it easily alive.
It has a flat V12, not a boxer. The crank makes the difference
But the important thing i wanted to tell you was, that many parts are not available anymore. The contacts in the plugs are known to rust, spare parts are not available! So you may need to replace all plugs and so on. This will really look bubba.
Additional the ignition control system is very sensitive to water. You dont want to know what that costs
Parts of the interieur are also no longer available.
They worte that many cars with minor defects are taken appart to deliver parts for others.
I think this is what will happen to this car. For a averrage person its not possible to get this thing back to life, it will be just too expensive.
And if it runs - you know the thing about the 20k-miles belt, the clutch lasts only 40k miles, the gearbox is known for breaking when you make to many burnouts.
And then there are so many addition parts in it that could break...2 gas pumps, 2 bosch fuel injection systems and and and...
This thing is not made to keep it easily alive.
02-03-2013, 02:32 PM
#51
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" popular in US and "boxer" in EU
02-03-2013, 03:55 PM
#52
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The testarossa engine was indeed a boxer, not a V12. Found this pic on google:
Maybe where some confusion is coming from is that Ferrari V-engines use a flat-plane crankshaft, where American V8s use a cross-plane crankshaft. Flat-plane revs better but makes less torque.
Maybe where some confusion is coming from is that Ferrari V-engines use a flat-plane crankshaft, where American V8s use a cross-plane crankshaft. Flat-plane revs better but makes less torque.
02-03-2013, 06:30 PM
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PaPaPork already explained it. The reason this engine is called a 180° V is that the pistons dont move out and in on both sides like in a boxer engine. The boxer would reduce vibrations to a minimum. But with the crank of a V engine it does not.
Of course i would call every flat engine a boxer - you cant see whats inside. But when you know it...
Of course i would call every flat engine a boxer - you cant see whats inside. But when you know it...
02-04-2013, 07:21 PM
#54
the problem will be with ALL the wiring connectors that went under water, as well as any electrical control modules. Once exposed to salt, they never stop corroding. You have to open up EVERY wiring connector, and anywhere water would have gotten to anything electrical, and rinse it out, preferably before it has had a chance to dry.
A neighbor of mine thought he stole on a C- class mercedes from Sandy. But he knew nothing about salt water. He spent weeks on it, and every other day, something else quit working. He ended up practically giving the car away.
I sincerely hope you have better luck.
PS, I remember him quoting like $15-20,000 for a new wiring harness from Merc.
A neighbor of mine thought he stole on a C- class mercedes from Sandy. But he knew nothing about salt water. He spent weeks on it, and every other day, something else quit working. He ended up practically giving the car away.
I sincerely hope you have better luck.
PS, I remember him quoting like $15-20,000 for a new wiring harness from Merc.
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02-05-2013, 12:02 AM
#55
Burning Brakes
Just because a car is too expensive to restore does not mean you cannot enjoy it. My '76 was not worth restoring, so I'm creating a restomod. All the looks of a classic, with cheap junkyard/hot rod parts.
Ruined engine managment controls can be replaced with FAST or Megasquirt, ruined interior parts can be covered by an upholstery shop, and electrical connections can be repaired with generic parts. You'll have a custom Ferrari for cheap, and your not hurting value because you're not destroying any parts you could not sell off anyway.
Ruined engine managment controls can be replaced with FAST or Megasquirt, ruined interior parts can be covered by an upholstery shop, and electrical connections can be repaired with generic parts. You'll have a custom Ferrari for cheap, and your not hurting value because you're not destroying any parts you could not sell off anyway.
02-05-2013, 06:40 AM
#56
Burning Brakes
The angle between the cylinder banks has nothing to do with the boxer vs. V-engine designation.
Whatever someone has started calling them in Europe or the US, the correct definition of a boxer engine is one crank pin for every cylinder. A V-engine has the two opposing cylinders sharing a crank pin.
Considering that the TR was the successor to the "Ferrari Boxer" (512BB, or Berlinetti Boxer) and despite its name that one actually also didn't have a boxer engine but a flat V12, it's easy to get confused
Cranks:
American V8's use 90 degree cranks (90 degrees between adjacent crank pins), most others use 180 degree cranks.
90 degree crank: Good for low RPM torque.
180 degree crank: Good for high RPM HP.
Whatever someone has started calling them in Europe or the US, the correct definition of a boxer engine is one crank pin for every cylinder. A V-engine has the two opposing cylinders sharing a crank pin.
Considering that the TR was the successor to the "Ferrari Boxer" (512BB, or Berlinetti Boxer) and despite its name that one actually also didn't have a boxer engine but a flat V12, it's easy to get confused
Cranks:
American V8's use 90 degree cranks (90 degrees between adjacent crank pins), most others use 180 degree cranks.
90 degree crank: Good for low RPM torque.
180 degree crank: Good for high RPM HP.
02-05-2013, 09:56 AM
#58
Melting Slicks
Just readed an article in a vintage magazine about this car.
It has a flat V12, not a boxer. The crank makes the difference
But the important thing i wanted to tell you was, that many parts are not available anymore. The contacts in the plugs are known to rust, spare parts are not available! So you may need to replace all plugs and so on. This will really look bubba.
Additional the ignition control system is very sensitive to water. You dont want to know what that costs
Parts of the interieur are also no longer available.
They worte that many cars with minor defects are taken appart to deliver parts for others.
I think this is what will happen to this car. For a averrage person its not possible to get this thing back to life, it will be just too expensive.
And if it runs - you know the thing about the 20k-miles belt, the clutch lasts only 40k miles, the gearbox is known for breaking when you make to many burnouts.
And then there are so many addition parts in it that could break...2 gas pumps, 2 bosch fuel injection systems and and and...
This thing is not made to keep it easily alive.
It has a flat V12, not a boxer. The crank makes the difference
But the important thing i wanted to tell you was, that many parts are not available anymore. The contacts in the plugs are known to rust, spare parts are not available! So you may need to replace all plugs and so on. This will really look bubba.
Additional the ignition control system is very sensitive to water. You dont want to know what that costs
Parts of the interieur are also no longer available.
They worte that many cars with minor defects are taken appart to deliver parts for others.
I think this is what will happen to this car. For a averrage person its not possible to get this thing back to life, it will be just too expensive.
And if it runs - you know the thing about the 20k-miles belt, the clutch lasts only 40k miles, the gearbox is known for breaking when you make to many burnouts.
And then there are so many addition parts in it that could break...2 gas pumps, 2 bosch fuel injection systems and and and...
This thing is not made to keep it easily alive.
02-05-2013, 09:59 AM
#59
Melting Slicks
the problem will be with ALL the wiring connectors that went under water, as well as any electrical control modules. Once exposed to salt, they never stop corroding. You have to open up EVERY wiring connector, and anywhere water would have gotten to anything electrical, and rinse it out, preferably before it has had a chance to dry.
A neighbor of mine thought he stole on a C- class mercedes from Sandy. But he knew nothing about salt water. He spent weeks on it, and every other day, something else quit working. He ended up practically giving the car away.
I sincerely hope you have better luck.
PS, I remember him quoting like $15-20,000 for a new wiring harness from Merc.
A neighbor of mine thought he stole on a C- class mercedes from Sandy. But he knew nothing about salt water. He spent weeks on it, and every other day, something else quit working. He ended up practically giving the car away.
I sincerely hope you have better luck.
PS, I remember him quoting like $15-20,000 for a new wiring harness from Merc.
plus, I seriously don't get why people have the attitude that we can't make whatever was built before again.... just because it's cubic dollars to remake doesn't mean it's impossible.
the mechanic in me is now curious.... how did Ferrari connect their electronics?
02-05-2013, 12:42 PM
#60
I get the gloom and doom of this - but did Ferrari forgo weather pak connectors? Sounds like Merc cheaped out on the connectors... or it was just the interior that would need replacing
plus, I seriously don't get why people have the attitude that we can't make whatever was built before again.... just because it's cubic dollars to remake doesn't mean it's impossible.
the mechanic in me is now curious.... how did Ferrari connect their electronics?
plus, I seriously don't get why people have the attitude that we can't make whatever was built before again.... just because it's cubic dollars to remake doesn't mean it's impossible.
the mechanic in me is now curious.... how did Ferrari connect their electronics?