1968 value with ce block
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1968 value with ce block
Looking at this four speed 68 coupe but has a ce block and some angle iron welded to the rear stabilizer bars, otherwize in decent shape with a 10 foot paint job, my question is, Does the ce block make that much of a difference in the price if car? It is an no option car.
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The CE block eliminates collectors as potential buyers, the car is a NOM. If this is a base model, no options coupe, it's probably at the bottom pricing for NOMs. From this point, much depends on condition, rust, mods, etc.. I suggest looking for a comparable NOM which has sold recently, see what the market is paying.
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Hi,
Am I missing something?
It looks like the pad was ground, and THEN stamped.
Did CE blocks have ground pads?
I always thought the CE pad had the normal broached surface?
Regards,
Alan
Am I missing something?
It looks like the pad was ground, and THEN stamped.
Did CE blocks have ground pads?
I always thought the CE pad had the normal broached surface?
Regards,
Alan
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It's a base engine anyway. It still blows my mind, but some of the Corvette guys, unlike almost any other old car market, actually seem to give a rip if a base model car still has the base engine. It isn't like it's a 427 replaced with a 350. The question that needs to be asked is what "collector market" really exists for base engine cars, and if there is one, how long it will last. I would submit that if it does affect value, it isn't by much (or at least no more than it costs to get a dime-a-dozen block restamped...).
As for what the car is worth?
Just not enough to go on. If much of anything on it needs fixed, repaired, or replaced (which is probably indicated by the "decent" and not "perfect" condition), and a 20 foot paint job, $10k-12k from a private party. Possibly less unless the interior, chrome, and brightwork are all cherry. Mind you, that's a sell price where it disappears from Craigslist in under two months--not a "sit on it and wait" price.
As for what the car is worth?
Just not enough to go on. If much of anything on it needs fixed, repaired, or replaced (which is probably indicated by the "decent" and not "perfect" condition), and a 20 foot paint job, $10k-12k from a private party. Possibly less unless the interior, chrome, and brightwork are all cherry. Mind you, that's a sell price where it disappears from Craigslist in under two months--not a "sit on it and wait" price.
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So?
I do. My 68 has the original 327/300. Why not give a rip about original base engine cars?
I have no interest in what any other old car market does.
...It still blows my mind, but some of the Corvette guys... actually seem to give a rip if a base model car still has the base engine...
...unlike almost any other old car market...
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Good thought. I made the assumption based on the "no options" comment. My assumption was the original poster was asking about a 327/300, but that could have been wrong if he didn't check what the original motor was.
re: #s matching premium, base engine cars I still don't believe either receive or deserve much if any of a premium over a good replacement. A 327/300 was a mass produced motor, about as rare as dust in the wind, and remains so. Takes a whole lot of money and effort to reproduce a 427 tripower by the time you find the correct rear axle, cooling system, block, intake and carbs, hood, springs, etc. An "original numbers matching" 327 takes an afternoon at the junk yard and a few hundred bucks to a guy who knows how to do a stamp.
re: #s matching premium, base engine cars I still don't believe either receive or deserve much if any of a premium over a good replacement. A 327/300 was a mass produced motor, about as rare as dust in the wind, and remains so. Takes a whole lot of money and effort to reproduce a 427 tripower by the time you find the correct rear axle, cooling system, block, intake and carbs, hood, springs, etc. An "original numbers matching" 327 takes an afternoon at the junk yard and a few hundred bucks to a guy who knows how to do a stamp.
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I agree that a base engine restamp is far easier to accomplish and much less expensive than a big block, and would carry a far less payoff, but I'll never buy into the fact that a base engine matching number car has no premium over an NOM of any kind.
I'd also disagree that a few hundred bucks to a guy who can restamp will produce a stamp pad with broach marks that will pass. Its simply not that easy.
Clearly the big block will carry with it a big price tag to go with it, but if I had a base matching number motor car for sale and someone tried to tell me that it wasn't worth more than an NOM because they were common and easily restamped, I'd politely disagree.
I'd also disagree that a few hundred bucks to a guy who can restamp will produce a stamp pad with broach marks that will pass. Its simply not that easy.
Clearly the big block will carry with it a big price tag to go with it, but if I had a base matching number motor car for sale and someone tried to tell me that it wasn't worth more than an NOM because they were common and easily restamped, I'd politely disagree.
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All Corvette engines were massed produced.
I see. So by your criteria, the only engines worth having are the ones with expensive parts.
All it takes is lifting the hood on my car.
The OP did not ask about a restamp; only a CE block.
...Takes a whole lot of money and effort to reproduce a 427 tripower by the time you find the correct rear axle, cooling system, block, intake and carbs, hood, springs, etc....
...An "original numbers matching" 327 takes an afternoon at the junk yard...
The OP did not ask about a restamp; only a CE block.
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What's the problem here? It's a very straight and complete appearing 1968 with a GM service replacement engine. Sure, it's a NOM, but it isn't a pile of junk, either. I'd take this engine as a starting point over a random Summit 280 hp Backyard BBQ engine.
Sure it isn't a $60k car, but it isn't like it's a $5k car either.
If it's complete and rust-free, I'd be happy to have the chance to purchase it.
Obviously more information would have to be known to zero in on if it is $15k car or a $25k car, but it is a little funny to see suggestions like "make a race car out of it". Just doesn't seem warranted. Doesn't look like a lump of coal to me...
Sure it isn't a $60k car, but it isn't like it's a $5k car either.
If it's complete and rust-free, I'd be happy to have the chance to purchase it.
Obviously more information would have to be known to zero in on if it is $15k car or a $25k car, but it is a little funny to see suggestions like "make a race car out of it". Just doesn't seem warranted. Doesn't look like a lump of coal to me...
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Hi ryanmh,
"The question that needs to be asked is what "collector market" really exists for base engine cars, and if there is one, how long it will last."
So you're saying there may not be a market for this car with this engine now, and if there is, it may not last long?
Regards,
Alan
"The question that needs to be asked is what "collector market" really exists for base engine cars, and if there is one, how long it will last."
So you're saying there may not be a market for this car with this engine now, and if there is, it may not last long?
Regards,
Alan
