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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 06:57 AM
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BTW, This is not my car or anyone I know.

http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/3981615070.html
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 08:38 AM
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 10:14 AM
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Pretty proud of that car...nearly $20k is pretty steep.

Wrong hood...with the shameless and inaccurate 427 numbers still mounted.

Says "matching numbers", but there isn't much original about the engine. Intake different, valve covers, air cleaner, points, etc.

Says it is a 350/350, but the redline is off. Leads to more skepticism about the "matching numbers" claim.

"All you need is the compresser". I'm quite certain of that...

Good looking car, but there's a bit of hair on this dog.

By the way, was there a question buried in the elaborate orignial post? I didn't read the whole thing and may have missed it...
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 10:18 AM
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There was no question I was just putting it out there for people to see. Actually I put it in the wrong place. Like I said its not mine or anyone I know I just came accrossed it searching craigs.
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by keithinspace
Pretty proud of that car...nearly $20k is pretty steep.

Wrong hood...with the shameless and inaccurate 427 numbers still mounted.

Says "matching numbers", but there isn't much original about the engine. Intake different, valve covers, air cleaner, points, etc.

Says it is a 350/350, but the redline is off. Leads to more skepticism about the "matching numbers" claim.

"All you need is the compresser". I'm quite certain of that...

Good looking car, but there's a bit of hair on this dog.

By the way, was there a question buried in the elaborate orignial post? I didn't read the whole thing and may have missed it...
I thought I saw this car somewhere else, and I did. It's also on eBay, with bids up to $19,000 and these geniuses still have the reserve not met. http://bit.ly/15AHCBg The ebay ad doesn't state numbers matching, at least. It states original 427/390HP which makes more sense and is correct for the tach. I would be jumping for joy if I could get that out of a mystery meat 350. Where is the value here? The big block hood? The potential to "fake" a number matching big block? I certainly hope not. The cost to do that wouldn't be worth anyone's time after spending $20k on the car. Also note the mutant tails and the junkyard (no offense, Cragar S/S, but your time has passed).

Perhaps there is hope for values after all. Beat me. Of course, then there are all the tripowers clearing for $25k to $30k in the same shape as thing one. Who in the world would but this for $20k when you could get into a real big block for less additional money than it would cost you to track down a big block and put it in?

The real difference here, I suspect, is Corvette red. Paint any sports car bright red and it sells a whole lot easier.
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 11:50 AM
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The Buy It Now price reflects a Deal of a lifetime

Really?

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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 11:53 AM
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The bubble tailights are not original are they . The ad mentioned electronic ignition. I think not.
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 12:03 PM
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...electronic ignition. I think not.
Not original, you mean. Could be a Pertronix unit in the stock dizzy.

The car is nice enough. Nothing wrong there. Just horribly misrepresented and overpriced by a good bit.
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tough crowd here IMO.....19,500.00 for a '69 convertible, looks to be in pretty decent shape...seems like the value is there to me. amazing how people on here are quick to pick at a 44 year old vette....keep in mind, every time that you nitpick and suggest a car is WAY over-priced, you are actually adjusting the value of your own car, regardless of it's condition! Rick

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Originally Posted by razman
tough crowd here IMO.....19,500.00 for a '69 convertible, looks to be in pretty decent shape...seems like the value is there to me. amazing how people on here are quick to pick at a 44 year old vette....keep in mind, every time that you nitpick and suggest a car is WAY over-priced, you are actually adjusting the value of your own car, regardless of it's condition! Rick
This is of major concern.

On the CL ad, it states this:

Car is a matching numbers car...

Best regards.
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 01:36 PM
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You may be right, Mr. Razman. You may be right.

At first glance, it looks like they're going for the throat, though.

No info on mileage or engine condition. Things like the A/C compressor missing are unfortunate and leads to speculation of the car's speckled past.

This is one of those examples where the car where if all the original parts (taillights, hood, rally wheels, valve covers) were sitting in a box and came with the car, the value would be greatly 'assisted'.

That's always the risk of customization...not everyone may appreciate your take on the car and it is VERY, VERY expensive to go back to "stock" if you need to re-purchase all the parts to do so.

It's like choosing dark maroon carpets in your living room, having a blood red clawfoot bathtub, painting your kitchen cabinets black, and painting your bedroom that awesome shade of purple. It costs a LOT to do it, but it doesn't help the VALUE of your house. First thing everyone sees is the money they'll have to spend to make the house the way THEY want it.

Not that this car is chopped liver. You're absolutely right. If the 427 logos weren't on the hood, the car was correctly represented (350/300), and the price was more in the $15k, $16k, or even $18k range, the ad would be taken MUCH more seriously. Someone would show up and the car would change hands for $14k.

I don't know. Maybe its the combination of the misalignment of the hood and 'numbers matching' claim that put me off on it. I wouldn't bother calling the guy.

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I love the bantering that goes on in here. I used to have the same thing while building my mustang in their forums but there not as die hard as the vette guys. Luv it!
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikesfreetime
I love the bantering that goes on in here. I used to have the same thing while building my mustang in their forums but there not as die hard as the vette guys. Luv it!
Bantering? I call it sharing one's opinion.
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 02:38 PM
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Bantering? I call it sharing one's opinion.
You have an opinion and I have a name I call it.

Bantering...To exchange mildly teasing remarks. Call it what you will
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by razman
...tough crowd here IMO.....19,500.00 for a '69 convertible, looks to be in pretty decent shape...seems like the value is there to me...
Have you bid on it? Would you give $19,500 for it?
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 03:36 PM
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not in this lifetime I smells a turd

I do not mean to banter I am merely stating what I see and smell
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Originally Posted by razman
tough crowd here IMO.....19,500.00 for a '69 convertible, looks to be in pretty decent shape...seems like the value is there to me. amazing how people on here are quick to pick at a 44 year old vette....keep in mind, every time that you nitpick and suggest a car is WAY over-priced, you are actually adjusting the value of your own car, regardless of it's condition! Rick
rick I agree, par for the course.
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Have you bid on it? Would you give $19,500 for it?
why yes Mike, i just called the guy and offered him 25k for it, why do you ask? btw, i was thrilled to discover that the original ZL1 engine and documentation comes with the car. apparently the original owner pulled the BB a week after taking delivery, and changed the tach face to disguise the true value of the car. i'm feeling good about my purchase.
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You guys didn't miss the fact that it seems likely the car was an original 427/390HP did you? The tach, at least, bears that out. The Craigslist ad was funky. The eBay listing isn't. There is nothing wrong with the hood that is on it now. It's just a (presumably) crappy NOM motor in a big block car being sold by someone who apparently doesn't know bupkis about it.

The real problem I see is that it will cost $6,000 to go back to a freshened up big block, at which point you could have bought a nice numbers matching big block without Cragars, blacked out vent inserts, funky taillights, and who knows what else going on.

Also, this car is up to $19,000 on eBay. Is it worth it? Probably not. Is somebody just playing a game bidding on their own auction, or is someone jerking the guy around? I suspect it. It makes no sense that at exactly $18,899.99 the reserve is not met and the high bidder didn' t just take a BUY IT NOW for $19,500.00.
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Hi,
I always think there's a lot to like and fun to be had with a 69 convertible.
This one sort of proves the point about cars with verifiable original engines.... it would likely be worth a lot more with it's original engine, and may well NOT be worth THIS much with out that engine, because the car's upside as it is, is so limited.
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