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Old Nov 28, 2013 | 11:57 AM
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I bought this car with no distributor in the engine. No explanation as to where or why it was missing.
I understand that this year's model has it's tachometer operate via a flex drive cable attached to a particular type of distributor that has the flex cable drive attachment on it.
I looked underneath the dash, trying to find any cable emanating from the back of the tach. It's a jungle down there and I cannot find it. I found the speedo cable, and see where it threads out through the firewall, but no tach drive cable anywhere.
My question is: Where does the tachometer cable supposed to go through the firewall and to the distributor?
Perhaps it's missing too. Maybe the PO sold the distributor and cable together.
Any input will be appreciated. Thanks.

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Old Nov 28, 2013 | 12:21 PM
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The 73 has a mechanical tach.

First check to make sure the original tach is still there. Maybe someone converted to an electronic tach.

The tach cable does go thru the firewall as well as the speedo cable. Maybe someone has a pix of it.

If your replacing the mechanical tach, you will need the cable and the tach. Distributers with mechanical drives are available new. Distributers with proper numbers are hard to find.

Also check the tranny. The original 73 had a right angle adapter from the tranny to the cable for a manual tranny. These adapters are impossible to find, but straight adapters are available from many vendors. The original right angle adapters tended to seize up after a few years causing the plastic drive gear inside to shear.

You will also need the plastic drive gear that comes in different colors depending on the rear end ratio. You'll need to figure this out.

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Old Nov 28, 2013 | 12:25 PM
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You can see the tach cable below the vacuum line and above the orange line. This is on my 73.



Here is what the distributor looks like.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-p...stributor.html

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Old Nov 28, 2013 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cavu2u
I bought this car with no distributor in the engine. No explanation as to where or why it was missing.
I understand that this year's model has it's tachometer operate via a flex drive cable attached to a particular type of distributor that has the flex cable drive attachment on it.
I looked underneath the dash, trying to find any cable emanating from the back of the tach. It's a jungle down there and I cannot find it. I found the speedo cable, and see where it threads out through the firewall, but no tach drive cable anywhere.
My question is: Where does the tachometer cable supposed to go through the firewall and to the distributor?
Perhaps it's missing too. Maybe the PO sold the distributor and cable together.
Any input will be appreciated. Thanks.

Steve
Ive taken out my distributor several times, there is mechanical cable with a 7/8" screw on end to the distributor that must connect to the gauge pry follows the speed o cable into the compartment , a complete assembly is avail used or new im sure
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Old Nov 28, 2013 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by stevelischynsky
The 73 has a mechanical tach.

First check to make sure the original tach is still there. Maybe someone converted to an electronic tach.
Steve,

That's what first crossed my mind when I couldn't find a tach cable.
The tach's face looks stock. It's just an absolute bitch to get up there behind it. The steering column bracket is huge and covers up a lot, and the center A/C duct doesn't help matters either. I DO want to see what that guage looks like from the back. But how? I'll guess some of that stuff has to come out.
Wonderful.

Thanks for the replies folks. I'm very new to this car, but learning fast.

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Old Nov 28, 2013 | 03:46 PM
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This where the cable goes through the firewall.

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Old Nov 28, 2013 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by stevelischynsky

Also check the tranny. The original 73 had a right angle adapter from the tranny to the cable for a manual tranny. These adapters are impossible to find, but straight adapters are available from many vendors. The original right angle adapters tended to seize up after a few years causing the plastic drive gear inside to shear.
Steve- not all '73s had the adapter, it depends upon the diff. ratio.
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Steve- not all '73s had the adapter, it depends upon the diff. ratio.
You need some sort of gizmo between the tranny and the cable that holds the plastic gear. My adapter comes in two pieces -one that holds the plastic gear and the other is the right angle that has a ratio of 1:832 stamped into it. It looks like the speedo cable can be inserted directly into the plastic gear part. So are you saying that some ratios do not have the right angle part? This could be why it is near impossible to find a used or new right angle part. The vendors seem to be selling only the plastic gear part.

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Originally Posted by stevelischynsky
So are you saying that some ratios do not have the right angle part?
Correct- very very few C3s use/need the adapter, most plug 'straight in'.
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Correct- very very few C3s use/need the adapter, most plug 'straight in'.
Mike,
So this explains why I can't find a replacement. Does your 73 have this right angle adapter?

I was looking at taking my original apart but it has two welch plugs that need to be removed to get at the innards which makes it a pain. Meantime, to plug up the hole in the tranny, I was going to get an aftermarket straight but now I won't bother.

I didn't realize that the cable also plugs straight into the straight piece until I just looked at mine. Should have noticed this before, it's obvious now that I look at it.

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Old Nov 28, 2013 | 06:33 PM
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So this explains why I can't find a replacement. Does your 73 have this right angle adapter?
Yes, as does the yellow '73 that belongs to 'Mac' on the CAC website. All three of us have the same diff ratio.
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Steve,

That's what first crossed my mind when I couldn't find a tach cable.
The tach's face looks stock. It's just an absolute bitch to get up there behind it. The steering column bracket is huge and covers up a lot, and the center A/C duct doesn't help matters either. I DO want to see what that guage looks like from the back. But how? I'll guess some of that stuff has to come out.
Wonderful.

Thanks for the replies folks. I'm very new to this car, but learning fast.

Steve

Can you get a rectangular mechanic's mirror behind the dash with a bright drop-light to see the back of the tach.......that would save you a LOT of time and Advil!

Is it is an original WORKING TACH----you need to verify that it works before spending un-necessary money on a tach-distributor.

(My "new" '68 project had a tach-drive dist. when it was new---I bought a moderately priced aftermarket HEI tach-drive dist. and cable because the original mechanical tach still works---and the car has been altered too much to do a full restoration, since I don't have $60,000 to spare....LOL)

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Old Nov 28, 2013 | 07:54 PM
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Many yrs ago, either my tach or speedo died. I was able to replace it by just taking out the screws on the instrument panel and pulling back the instrument panel. You may be able to do this enough to get a look at the back end of the tach. or at least get a hand in from the top to feel the back end of the tach. You might have to take off the lower trim piece under the steering wheel. There is nothing else holding the instrument panel in place except these trim screws that you see from sitting in the drivers seat. This shouldn't take more than 15 minutes and you don't have to go from underneath.

The mechanical tach has a leaf spring arrangement dead center of the tach. You push down on the lower side and the cable releases. You should be able to feel this spring for a mechanical tach even if the cable is not there. The spring is captured on the tach itself. There are also a couple of light bulbs with wires so don't confuse these with electric tach wires. I don't have a pix of the back end but someone might be able to post one up.

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Old Nov 28, 2013 | 08:05 PM
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Can you get a rectangular mechanic's mirror behind the dash with a bright drop-light to see the back of the tach.......that would save you a LOT of time and Advil!

Is it is an original WORKING TACH----you need to verify that it works before spending un-necessary money on a tach-distributor.

(My "new" '68 project had a tach-drive dist. when it was new---I bought a moderately priced aftermarket HEI tach-drive dist. and cable because the original mechanical tach still works---and the car has been altered too much to do a full restoration, since I don't have $60,000 to spare....LOL)
I thought of the mirror (I have one) but there isn't much room to move in there and a lot of obstructions. A borescope from the firewall side is another option if he has access to one. Just to see if the tach is mechanical. If that is not an option then drop the steering column (four bolts underneath) and the tach/speedo gauge panel a bit and have a peek. That is how the tach cable is replaced.

If mechanical, he will still need a cable to test it with a drill attached. If it works then it is a decision point as to whether to go as you did with the HEI hybrid unit get a true tach drive distributor.
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I'm sure you checked this, but there isn't any extra wires running to the coil is there? Just thought I'd check the obvious.

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Originally Posted by stevelischynsky
I'm sure you checked this, but there isn't any extra wires running to the coil is there? Just thought I'd check the obvious.

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Wish I could tell ya Steve: Coil's missin too!

Paul: Thanks for the Picture. Here's mine:

Just an oil pressure line & a few wires. I can borrow a borescope from work. Good idea.

Doorgunner: Good idea on the mirror. Got one on a stick at work too.

Thanks for the ideas guys!

I do now have a strong suspecsion the PO sold both distributor and cable.

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...My question is: Where does the tachometer cable supposed to go through the firewall and to the distributor?...Any input will be appreciated....
Order the assembly instruction manual (AIM). You're going to want the AIM for more than tach cable installation. The GM chassis service manual is also good to have around.

Nice photo reference. Good to have but not critical:



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Old Nov 29, 2013 | 10:43 AM
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I would buy the cable first to verify if the tach itself is operable. Around 18 bucks. Hook it up to tach and run it in REVERSE with an electric drill while someone observes the tach.
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If you have the tach out, you don't need a cable to check the operation. Get a #2 Robinson drill bit-that's the square one. Put that into the drill chuck and run it in reverse.

Ya I know, USA doesn't typically use Robinson, although it is much superior than Phillips cause it never strips a screw, also holds a screw on the bit in mid air so you can free up a hand. But these bits are usually in the multi bit packages.

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Easiest, although maybe not the fastest access to the back side of the tach is removal of the tach/speedo cluster from the passenger compartment side. Much easier on the neck and back! I'm amazed that you were actually able to contort yourself up under the dash. Rebuilt points-style and aftermarket distributors are available thru Corvette America and Corvette Central. '75 and later Vettes have HEI distributors with no mechanical tach drive - they're all electronic and your car may have a later model transplanted into it. HEI distributors are far more plentiful than mechanical tach Corvette distributors. You came to the right place for advice. CF has helped me several times. Good luck.

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