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Old Sep 2, 2016 | 10:50 AM
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Default Harmonic balancer timing marks off

I just finished installing the cam and timing cover and when I installed the balancer I found that the timing marks on the balancer are way off from the pointer.

You can see where I've marked TDC on the balancer with the orange pen but the 0" marking on the balancer is at the 5:00 position behind the red part of the decal.

I know for a fact the cam is in correctly. I've rotated the engine over and the #1 intake and exhaust valves are opening and closing where they should be according my mark. Should I be concerned about this or just use the mark I made for timing?



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Old Sep 2, 2016 | 11:13 AM
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There are adjustable timing pointers for just this issue. That'll take care of your problem.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-b64261/overview/

You could certainly compensate for the difference when you're setting the timing, but that would bug me.

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Old Sep 2, 2016 | 11:41 AM
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how did you find TDC?

is this a new balancer? if so, return it and get a correct one.
compare the marks on the old one to this one. it should be different as noted.

if it is an old balancer , how did you time the engine in the past?
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If your piston is at TDC right now....remove that balancer and return it.
The correct way to mark true top dead center is with a bridge on the block and dial indicator and, as previously stated, mount a adjustable timing pointer from Moroso, Allstar or Canton.......

If you return the balancer......swap it out for one that is a smaller diameter and get the requisite pointer......this is a great place to remove rotating mass.

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Old Sep 2, 2016 | 11:52 AM
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As long as you are 100% CERTAIN you have the rotating assembly on TDC....

I'll say it again...at TDC...

Mark the pointer to show zero, and move on!!!

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The OP stated that his mark is at the five-o'clock position.....
If this is the case....take it off and send it back. You paid good money for a part and it should be correct.
Adjustable pointers are only designed to move a few degrees in each direction.....

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Old Sep 2, 2016 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by joewill
how did you find TDC?

is this a new balancer? if so, return it and get a correct one.
compare the marks on the old one to this one. it should be different as noted.

if it is an old balancer , how did you time the engine in the past?
I know it's at TDC because I just installed the cam. It is a new balancer. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-161400

I can live with the numbers being off on the balancer as long as it performs it's function properly.
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Old Sep 2, 2016 | 02:35 PM
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I would call summit and ask them. TDC will be a certain degree plus or minus or equal from the crank key, depending on the year of the engine/crank.. or the engine gurus can chime in.. I would not assume cam gear timing marks are the definition of TDC. you should at least do a cursory if not full cam degree-in.. the only way to find TDC absolutely/correctly is with dial indicator or the piston stop method.

again.. eyeball both old and new balancers.. is TDC mark both at the same offset from the keyway?
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It's seems you are fishing for support and confidence to put that motor in the car as it is. I suggest the feedback to this point is counter to that objective. I would follow Jebby's advice here!
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Originally Posted by dosoctaves
It's seems you are fishing for support and confidence to put that motor in the car as it is. I suggest the feedback to this point is counter to that objective. I would follow Jebby's advice here!
You do not have to follow my advice......but I wish you would. Years from now....some dude will buy this car and post on the forum here asking why the balancer is wrong!

Timing,as an engine builder, to me is the #1 key component in assuring your engine can be tuned proper. Attention to detail here is free and worth a lot. It assures that your advance marks on the balancer for total timing are spot on. On some engines...a degree or two is worth a TON.
Like I said......the OP paid good money for a part that appears to be way off.......I would not let it slide personally.

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After digging out an old balancer I had I saw it was off too and I knew I screwed something up. It turns out I put the crank sprocket on the wrong keyway.

Thanks for the replies and I hope one day someone reads this thread and learns from my mistakes.
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You get my kudos for responding back and owning up to your mistake. It wouldn't bother us either way, by your post may help others to not make the same mistake.

Well done! And good luck with your engine build.
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
You get my kudos for responding back and owning up to your mistake. It wouldn't bother us either way, by your post may help others to not make the same mistake.

Well done! And good luck with your engine build.
I agree...good job.


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