Corvettes vs. the Ozone
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If some millennial thinks that our cars which are driven a FRACTION of what daily drivers are driven are the problem, they need a real wake up call. I've often wondered but have no facts to go on, whether keeping an old car on the road is worse for the environment than producing a new throwaway car every few years?
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Well, you know what they say about guys with big carbon footprints...
Solar is coming... It's a tiny fraction now obviously, but I believe it is the fastest growing. What's more democratic than having your own, distributed, source of power?
All of the focus on classics and performance cars has always been confusion, like outlawing the scary-looking guns to comfort the frightened suburbanites, rather than trying to do something evidence-based and meaningful. SEMA is our NRA. (Though hopefully they're not trying to block studies into what makes cars dangerous/polluting.
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The big picture is this: 99% of people don't give a vermin's poop-shoot about cars, they just want to get to work and wherever they want to go with maximum freedom and minimal hassle and stress. Driving hundreds of millions of single-operator 30% efficient combustion cars to do this is absurd. If politics don't ruin our ability to make nuanced policy, there should be a future where the commuters zip around in automated electric thingies of all sorts and the 1% of enthusiasts (not the be mistaken for that other 1%, overlap aside) would be free to use the largely wide-open roads to their hearts content. Same for cargo-transport, eventually for air travel too. There is a problem (leave the unnecessarily-politicized "climate change" out of it and just look at our environmental impact broadly, don't $#!+ where you sleep!), but we don't have to fix it in the dumbest, least nuanced, least free way possible. And denying the problem's reality because it doesn't jive with how you want to live is just ignorant. [/ShouldBeInOffTopicForum]
Solar is coming... It's a tiny fraction now obviously, but I believe it is the fastest growing. What's more democratic than having your own, distributed, source of power?
All of the focus on classics and performance cars has always been confusion, like outlawing the scary-looking guns to comfort the frightened suburbanites, rather than trying to do something evidence-based and meaningful. SEMA is our NRA. (Though hopefully they're not trying to block studies into what makes cars dangerous/polluting.
)The big picture is this: 99% of people don't give a vermin's poop-shoot about cars, they just want to get to work and wherever they want to go with maximum freedom and minimal hassle and stress. Driving hundreds of millions of single-operator 30% efficient combustion cars to do this is absurd. If politics don't ruin our ability to make nuanced policy, there should be a future where the commuters zip around in automated electric thingies of all sorts and the 1% of enthusiasts (not the be mistaken for that other 1%, overlap aside) would be free to use the largely wide-open roads to their hearts content. Same for cargo-transport, eventually for air travel too. There is a problem (leave the unnecessarily-politicized "climate change" out of it and just look at our environmental impact broadly, don't $#!+ where you sleep!), but we don't have to fix it in the dumbest, least nuanced, least free way possible. And denying the problem's reality because it doesn't jive with how you want to live is just ignorant. [/ShouldBeInOffTopicForum]
Fact 2 - Whether it be gasoline or electric powered vehicles, as you said, people in US do want freedom and mass transit would not suffice for most people. So thinking we want to change this does not fit in with the world I see around me.
Fact 3 - Electric cars are not free, nor is the electric they require. When the equation is evaluated, gas versus electric, the true cost and true impact of a nation of electric vehicles is never truly evaluated. If we have problems now with electricity production (especially in the fantasy world of electricity without coal) then what will it be when millions of vehicles need charged every day....the demand on the grid increases by a large amount.....so where does that come from? Outerspace? Solar panels? Windmills?
And to your last statement:
And denying the problem's reality because it doesn't jive with how you want to live is just ignorant.
This is the arrogance of this side of the argument......calling people ignorant based on an opinion and self motivated, version of science. Create a problem so the government can save you. It feeds a lot of mouths and makes certain people feel important, especially "educated" science types who start off believing they are a step ahead of the average person. I don't subscribe to the idea that people are as smart as they think they are. You want to call me ignorant, I have names for people too, doesn't make either of us right. The arrogance is always the same, the ego of the elite likes to simply discredit anyone who doesn't agree with them as some toothless inbred idiot.
Last edited by Shovels and Vettes; Nov 19, 2017 at 07:41 AM.
