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Old Nov 27, 2017 | 10:37 AM
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Hi,
While taking a look at some old (1958) photos from the Chevrolet Design Studio I noticed this headlight design.
It looks like it made it to production 10 years later looking much like it does on the mock-up.
The car in the foreground is described as a Holden Corvette.
??
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Old Nov 27, 2017 | 10:40 AM
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Nice find & interesting. A better time to live in USA than now BTW.
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58 was a bit early for me , but GM-Holden did make concept cars that were absolutely gorgeous , everybody that saw them wanted them made ,our local car magazine(s) used to run a story on them and get everyone's hopes up , but they never went into production.

Google Holden GTR-X and you will see a 1970 RHD version of the Banshee

I read in those same magazines in later years, with "spy" pics , that GM initially have been using a Holden ute as a test mule for every new corvette drive train .

And kind of on topic , there's another rumour going around now that Australia will finally get a RHD corvette or Camaro ! I believe that when I see it .Apparently it was a problem with the badges that GM proposed , they looked too much like a red cross symbol so they were denied , but supposedly it's all been sorted out and nothing is stopping GM now !!!!

The RHD Mustang is currently flooding the streets , the buggers are everywhere !

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Hey Alan....even more interesting for me is not the HOLDEN in the foreground but the 63 interior buck that the headlights were mounted on.

Obviously they were experimenting with the 'rotator' type lights and the pop-up lights way before the C-3 was a sparkle in Larry's eye.

unkahal

edit.....this configuration was done to 'prop up' the lights to the DOT height....I think we're looking at woodwork and thinking its foresight....how else do you prop up the lights???? {conjecture}.

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Old Nov 27, 2017 | 06:52 PM
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Very interesting,

In 65 when the mako 2 was shown its headlights were on the leading edge a sort of open up like eye lids idea,

Then when the revamped that to the manta they just had clear covers,

Neither of those could have been high enough for laws,

The c3 pop ups are not good looking open my guess was they were more for meeting laws that pleasing design
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Alan....in 1958 I lived in a small town of about 300 people. My 18 y.o. cousin entered a car design contest and won $100/big money in those days.

The point is....his winning design looked very much like a 1968 Corvette Coupe. If I can locate him I'll see if he still has the drawings and the clay model of the car he designed.

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so, if one were to put headlights in lower grilles by turn signals, they would not be legal?
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Originally Posted by derekderek
so, if one were to put headlights in lower grilles by turn signals, they would not be legal?
That would depend on the DMV in your State.... some have minimum height requirements.
The designers had to come up with something that would comply with ALL of them.

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Hi L-46,
You could well be right!
I still think the headlights show a different idea than what the 63-67 cars ended up with.
Someone wanted to show that arrangement on that buck because the hood surround needed to be filled in on that side to get an idea of what a typical appearance would be.
???
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When you look through the design archives it's a mazing how many sketches were done and how many 'bits' of designs produced.
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Originally Posted by Alan 71
Hi,
While taking a look at some old (1958) photos from the Chevrolet Design Studio I noticed this headlight design.
It looks like it made it to production 10 years later looking much like it does on the mock-up.
The car in the foreground is described as a Holden Corvette.
??
Regards,
Alan

cool pic,where did you find that?
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Hi dm,
I found quite a bit of Corvette (and other GM) design information at a site called:

http://www.deansgarage.com/2017/hold...orvette-xp-85/

LOS of interesting things to look at.
Regards,
Alan

Look at all the sketches up on the wall!

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Originally Posted by Alan 71
Hi dm,
I found quite a bit of Corvette (and other GM) design information at a site called:

http://www.deansgarage.com/2017/hold...orvette-xp-85/

LOS of interesting things to look at.
Regards,
Alan

Look at all the sketches up on the wall!
Very interesting pic! Thanks for sharing it, and the link to where you saw it!
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Originally Posted by Alan 71
Hi dm,
I found quite a bit of Corvette (and other GM) design information at a site called:

http://www.deansgarage.com/2017/hold...orvette-xp-85/

LOS of interesting things to look at.
Regards,
Alan

Look at all the sketches up on the wall!
Alan...I'm a total sucker for this stuff..

Let us not forget the Monza GT (Shinoda) and the XP882 (did I get this right) Shinoda...the horrific rear engine Corvette that Winchell foisted upon the design and engineering staff....both had similar pop-ups. Way before the 68.

To 13Bats....Beauty in the eyes of the beholder! Being as I own four sets of those pop up lights...I positively love them. They are one of the most significant features of the design. Okay, not very 'aero' but what was in 1968? (Chapparal 2C maybe).
Being an automotive historian like Alan...please harken back to the inception of the Porsche 928...with exposed headlights....SIGNIFICANT gnashing of teeth in the vox populii for the ugliness of the exposed 'bug-eyes'. I agree...hurt the nice design. This is another reason I'm not a C-6 guy....fugly lights. {edit...had a bug-eye Sprite....so whadda I know! LOL}
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Hi L-46,
Agree with your thoughts!

"Being an automotive historian like Alan…"

Boy! I wish I was!!!!

50s-60s HAD to be an interesting time to be working at GM!!!!
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How to be an 'automotive historian' LOL Form 1040 EZ
1. Be old!
2. Have a good memory.
3. Collect rooms worth of printed material and stuff from the 50's/60's/70's 80's (90's too modern!)
4. NEVER THROW IT OUT!
5. Go to Chevy dealerships every year of your (car) sentient life and plead for brochures...knee pain may be involved in getting corvette brochures.
6. Keep all the crap semi-organized.
7. Maintain tons of Corvette 'effuvia' in your head....so much so you can't find your car keys.
8. Know the name of Zora's nephew. (Alex).
9. Hang around with yet MORE old guys! LOL.

Cheers! Unckahal
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Hi 46,

10. Zora wore sandals a LOT of the time showing his European (?) background?!?

Regards,
Alan

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Originally Posted by derekderek
so, if one were to put headlights in lower grilles by turn signals, they would not be legal?
Unless someone pops in that tgeir state is exempt and that can be looked up online for a long time all states have a minimum height requirement
And a c3 with lights in the grill is too low in all 50,
The issue isnt so much a ticket as the liabilty in an accident....
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Originally Posted by Alan 71
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10. Zora wore sandals a LOT of the time showing his European (?) background?!?

Regards,
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These were Belgian driving sandals, Osha approved!
I spent a week with him as his chauffeur on Martha's Vineyard....chain-smoking, sandal wearing....almost unintelligible accent....my car still smells! However 200 autographs later...he was a great gent.
I'm wedged between Mcllelan on the left and Zora on the right at the dinner table....Hardly spoke to Dave...Chief Corvette ADMINISTRATOR.
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Great thread and awesome info and links! Thanks much Alan!
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That is such a cool find, Alan. I am a sucker for any information on the making of the 68 Corvettes. I wish someone would have come out
with a book on that. A lot of the people involved are unfortunately gone by now. Lou.

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