BackN70

Check out the following thread:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...uildsheet.html

kjd

It was great talking to you BackN70, many many thanks for the walk down memory lane.

To say this car has had an adventurous life is a major understatement.

Time to digest all now and possibly contact the current owner who I've managed to locate.

Many thanks to all who have provided opinions, sage advice, etc.!!

ed427vette

I remember contributing to that old thread.
That answers the question about the original drivetrain.

Its amazing the car sold for as much as it did. Non-original drivetrain and a salvage title.

maj75

All undisclosed BTW. What a bunch of crooks...

ed427vette

That is exactly why due diligence is so important and the best place for researching and gathering info is........right here.....

terrys6t8roadster

What does 'SALVAGED' on the title refer to? Dated 10/22/98. T

Eljay

Wow there should have been a "Dun Dun Daa" before BackN70's post

DKM-106

So I reached out to BJ and traded emails. I sent the the link to this thread and they have adjusted the description on the car: Lot #796 - This powerful 1969 Corvette Coupe is motivated by a matching-numbers, thunderous 427/435hp V8 engine fed by triple two-barrel carbs through a Winters aluminum intake manifold. Its 4-speed manual transmission sends power to the blackwall tires and Rally wheels. Presented in Tuxedo Black with black interior and factory side pipes, this 'Vette is one of 2,722 tri-powered 427/435hp Corvettes built in '69. **PREVIOUS TITLE BRANDED AS SALVAGED**

kjd

Hey, many thanks for doing that DKM-106!

I have reached out to the owner twice to obtain some very basic information on this car and to ask him what kind of current title he has, no response.

I had planned to contact BJ myself but wasn't optimistic that they would be interested in talking. Your effort and their response increases my confidence that they care about accuracy and desire to limit their liability.

After speaking with BackN70 and seeing about 50 or so photos of the car when he owned it 10 years ago or so, I have decided that this one is not for me. The car as originally produced has a wonderful pedigree but I just can't tell how much of it even exists any more, maybe the repaired frame, perhaps parts of the body, I dunno.

Alan 71

Hi kid,

"but I just can't tell how much of it even exists any more, maybe the repaired frame, perhaps parts of the body, I dunno."

Even in the 60s and early 70s people talked about "put together cars"!

With an understanding about what the car is, and at the 'right' price, they can be good car for some people.
Regards,
Alan

kjd

Agree with all you say Alan 71, it's just that this particular car is not for me.

I'm sure that many restored beauties looked like hell prior to their resurrection and/or are a compilation of cars. parts, etc.

I"m not necessarily looking for a NCRS car but perhaps given the limited supply of these, that may be what the true target is. Much more expensive of course, I get that.

ed427vette

They "adjusted" it but still have the term "matching numbers" as related to the engine? Still too deceptive. It just goes to prove you can not trust anything they put in any description.

Faster Rat

I have little sympathy for those who buy classic cars without exercising due diligence. If a person does not have the knowledge, then an expert should be hired. The old saying "A fool and his money are soon parted" still rings true.

DKM-106

Unfortunately if the numbers on the block are correct and match the car they can legally advertise it as a numbers matching car. Auction houses have gotten away from messaging such as "Original" trim tag or "Original" engine in their listings to avoid litigation issues. Even though this car is a rell 900 tuxedo black car, they have it listed as finished in tuxedo black. When you deal with a vin tag replacement or title issue that's where things get really hairy.....

ed427vette

I know what "numbers matching" means. Its means nothing. I also know its being used legally and also deceptively. The numbers on the block? Which set of numbers? If its a 512 block, that could be considered correct and number matching. Technicaly. What numbers match? Forget the stamp pad, or even the date code. Its all BS. Regardless of the legal issue, the intended and deliberate misrepresentation should be taken into consideration when dealing with these auction houses. It should be exposed and the auction houses should be held accountable, if not legally, then at least by reputation through the power of the Internet.

The intended spirit of the meaning, long ago, was to indicate a original engine block, trans and other parts but since no real definition was given at the time of its accepted use then it became a catch phrase, more of a joke...and it needs to be considered meaningless.

If originality is something that is important to a purchaser, then "born with original" is about as clear as you can be with the added "factory original stamped numbers on the stamp pad".

And I want to be clear, original engines are nice, but if they are not present does not mean its a bad car, or bad investment, or anything derogatory. I would buy a non original engine car if I really liked it and the price was acceptable. But in any case its just something that SHOULD be referred to honestly, without some tricky wording to INFER that it might be original but isn't. This car is known to not have the original motor. Say so.

Yes, it's the buyers responsibility to know better. But that's also why I post these long winded posts sometimes. Just so somebody might see it for the first time and not waste there money unnecessarily and then despise the hobby because of a bad experience. Nothing makes somebody more unhappy then losing or wasting a large sum of money that could have been prevented with a little more information. Many who might read my posts already know all these things. Its intended for some of the newer members or those without the benefit of experience.

This car could be a nice car, probably is. Just pay the RIGHT AMOUNT. Do not over pay thinking its an original equipment car. It may very well be a real deal correctly equipped car, just not the born with original equipment car. There is a price difference.

Ok. Time to let the keyboard cool down from all the typing.

Syl1953

Ttt

DBanks

It apparently has a salvage title? I would never pursue such a car.

Dan

marshal135

I feel if I wanted a 69 triple black L-71, I could build a non matching car for allot less than 58k.
They would technically be in the same category "Non factory installed drive train components"

A nice 69 390hp donor car could be had for 20-25k.
Tri power set up 5k.
Paint 10-12k.

Saving yourself 16k.
I think you would enjoy it just the same.
Just saying.
Marshal

kjd

Car hammered for $41K yesterday evening, cost = $45K and change with fees.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Event...427/435-211785

zrc3john

True true.....I saw that car cross the block....At the time I did not know that was the one in this thread...They didn't hype it up too much as a matter of fact..