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Old Apr 14, 2020 | 01:06 PM
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To put the drivetrain from a Maserati Granturismo in a C3? I'm looking at it, and the gearbox, diff, and driveshaft all look like they could fit, and the 4.2 liter V8 could more than fit. How difficult would doing a harness and such for a swap like this be?
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Old Apr 14, 2020 | 01:09 PM
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go buy a wrecked car at ''COPART''

you would get everything you need and start fitting parts
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Anything is possible, how much money do you have to throw at it?

My question is why?
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It's not really something I'm planning on, just a pipe dream idea, wondering if it's even reasonably possible.
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One of the most depreciating cars in the world because of STUPID, RIDICULOUS parts and maintenance costs.
'Cmon you can't be THAT bored?

Why wouldn't you put a LS into it?
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One of the most depreciating cars in the world because of STUPID, RIDICULOUS parts and maintenance costs.
'Cmon you can't be THAT bored?

Why wouldn't you put a LS into it?
It's kind of just a fun idea I had while chatting with some friends, seeing as the drivetrain would be a Ferrari V8, with a BMW gearbox and such
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Old Apr 14, 2020 | 06:20 PM
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Not something I'd want to attempt.
Look into what's involved in a modern CAN bus exotic vehicle. Dozens of ECUs and hundreds of sensors tied into that system...security, steering, brakes, trans, suspension, airbags, HVAC, gauges, lighting and the list goes on forever. Just transferring the BCM would be a nightmare. If it doesn't see steering, brakes, suspension, security, etc. you're not going anywhere.

Future cost...many of those computers and sensors have no aftermarket and cannot be replaced with used, they must be replaced with brand new. Once a part is "married" to a car, it's burned in and can never be made to work in another car. You're basically stuck buying brand new exotic car parts and the dealership has to program it to your car.
I own a Cayenne SUV. A common issue is a little steering module riveted to the column, and if it fails, the SUV is a brick. Porsche's solution is a brand new steering column, installed and programmed at the dealership for about $5,000.00...used is not an option because the original is married to the car. It deters the stolen parts market.
Lose a key fob? Once programmed to a vehicle, it can never be used on any other vehicle, so buying used is worthless. Dealership charges about $600 for a new one. Sometimes there are workarounds like cracking open the steering module and repairing, but those are rare.

Lastly, a Maserati (Ferrari) clutch needs to be replaced about every 3rd oil change. They last around 15K miles and it doesn't matter if you have the manual or automatic F1. When I looked into buying a Cambio Corsa, the short life and replacement cost of $6,000 changed my mind real quick. If you replace it yourself, you still need the proprietary computer to reset things and adjust the kiss point. It can be difficult finding a dealership to do that for you after you've done the labor yourself on your Maserati. Imagine their reaction when you drive up with a C3?
If you look at used Maseratis, many are at 20K miles and list recent clutch...I think many owners realize what they got themselves into, fix it and then dump it.
Of course if you get the auto with a torque converter, it's of no concern.

So yeah, stick with an LS
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Not that insane- but I'm not the person to ask....

There was a Mustang at SEMA the used the Maserati engine - but put on a Ferrari intakes...and called it a Ferrari. The difference between the two engines- the Ferrari has a flat plane crank- the Maserati does not. However it cost about 80% less!!!

The F136, commonly known as Ferrari-Maserati engine, is a family of 90° V8 petrol engines jointly developed by Ferrari and Maserati[citation needed] and produced by Ferrari; these engines displace between 4.2 L and 4.7 L, and produce between 390 PS (287 kW; 385 hp) and to 605 PS (445 kW; 597 hp). All engines are naturally aspirated, incorporate dual overhead camshafts, variable valve timing, and four valves per cylinder.

The architecture has been produced in various configurations for cars under those badges as well as for a single Alfa Romeo model. All three companies are owned by Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, formerly Fiat S.p.A. under whom the engine sharing program was organized."

You could adopt a Chevy flywheel- bellhousing and avoid the expensive stuff. A Megasquirt MS3Pro (about $1300) could easily control it.

https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/...hlight=ferrari

the https://engineswapdepot.com/?p=29084



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Very insane. Local ***** bondsman (In my neck of the woods most are crooks, thugs & crimelords themselves) who has a brand new one in her fleet ... maybe you can work a "deal" ... that's $200K + jewelry.
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A couple grand will get you a complete motor....



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General consensus seems to be a strong NO. All in all, I'm glad to have at the least questioned this, and hopefully someday some madlad will do this.
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Originally Posted by Richard454
A couple grand will get you a complete motor....


I saw! A complete torque converter auto drivetrain (instead of the transaxle) runs about 3750 with all the wiring, which is what started this idea.
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2JZ. only 3.0 and Toyota to boot, but that straight six will make a ton of power and hold up.
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Originally Posted by M4A3E2
I saw! A complete torque converter auto drivetrain (instead of the transaxle) runs about 3750 with all the wiring, which is what started this idea.
I'd do a belhousing adapter- fit a chevy trans rather than use the Maser drivetrain- the electronics would be to tough to control...

If you look at the links for the 68 Mustang build- they hooked it upto a t56-





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Originally Posted by Richard454
I'd do a belhousing adapter- fit a chevy trans rather than use the Maser drivetrain- the electronics would be to tough to control...

If you look at the links for the 68 Mustang build- they hooked it upto a t56-



So with this (again all theoretically) I could keep my Th400 and rear end, and install the italian engine?
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Originally Posted by M4A3E2
So with this (again all theoretically) I could keep my Th400 and rear end, and install the italian engine?
Yep- as I did with a Germany engine...


Here's a website to look over- lots of different swaps-

https://engineswapdepot.com/
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Originally Posted by Richard454
Yep- as I did with a Germany engine...


Here's a website to look over- lots of different swaps-

https://engineswapdepot.com/
Interesting... If I were to (again hypothetically) undertake this swap with my car, seeing as we're both in Atlanta, could you give me pointers when I get stumped?
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Originally Posted by M4A3E2
Interesting... If I were to (again hypothetically) undertake this swap with my car, seeing as we're both in Atlanta, could you give me pointers when I get stumped?
HA- be glad to help a fellow vette owner out!

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Thanks!

Just for funsies, I've been looking at what it would take to fab motor mounts, engine dimensions, clearances, etc. and talking with people about the F136's reliability. I think tomorrow I might talk to my boss and see what he thinks.
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Unless you hav TONS of ca$h to throw at such a project, just go to bed and dream about it some more. There is nothing wrong with enjoying the thought of making such a unique 'marriage' of body and drivetrain. But actually DOING it would be something else....
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