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Also, I'm told by an NCRS judge that I know but wasn't involved in the judging of this particular one that during the restoration it wasn't repainted but 'skinned' which I'd never heard of. Basically a clear wrap installed with a heat gun?
Can't see it until the end of the month but interested in any feedback.
Is the asking price based on the assumption that it is a numbers car?
Was there a conversation w/the seller regarding the engine stamp pad?
Chuck
Chuck, I've spoken with the seller and he also sent some specific photo's I requested of the usual trouble spots. He's very knowledgeable he's owned a lot of Corvettes both old and new and also has a 7 mile Pace car in his collection that's never been registered in the UK. The text below is from his advertisement:
We have owned this Corvette since 2007 and drove it for a number of years until in 2012 we decided that it was time to restore the car to its original factory condition, or as close as we could. The car underwent the most extensive body off restoration, to a point where most professional restores would not go, totalling a rebuild from the birdcage all the way to the speedo. The restoration took over 3 yrs to complete and was not carried out to a price limit. The quality of the restoration alone would be in excess of £40K.
At the time we were NCRS members and the car was presented in its full numbers matching original status for Flight Judging in 2015, achieving a Top Flight award, the highest accolade possible and was asked to be the NCRS show car at the CCCUK Nationals that year. After the event it had the alloy rims and glass roof added for a full driving experience. The original T top roofs and Wide Oval tyre and rim package complete with P02 wheel covers are safely in storage to go with the car. There is also a correct stereo radio, ariel, speakers and amps for the car, if needed as this is a true factory radio delete car.
This is a truly exceptional car that stands out wherever it goes.
It's been judged and achieved a top flight so the judging sheets should indicate whether they judged it real or not I would hope. We do have the UK Chapter of the NCRS and I have a friend who's a master judge I can contact for an inspection. I won't be asking Al Grenning to fly over
The pad photo arrived after our one conversation so I didn't ask at the time but will for sure before I travel to see it. I wonder if he's rubbed some black material in the digits to make them stand out for the pic?
It's been judged and achieved a top flight so the judging sheets should indicate whether they judged it real or not I would hope. We do have the UK Chapter of the NCRS and I have a friend who's a master judge I can contact for an inspection. I won't be asking Al Grenning to fly over
The pad photo arrived after our one conversation so I didn't ask at the time but will for sure before I travel to see it. I wonder if he's rubbed some black material in the digits to make them stand out for the pic?
This has been covered many times I believe, NCRS does not judge a car to be “real” or not. Unless that has changed recently. They judge the Vette as typically factory correct. The pad has obviously been decked as the marks in the pad show, so I can not see how the stamping could be so deep and clear essentially looking unaffected. A bad restamp is only a few points deduction. A car can reach Top Flight status and have no stamp at all.
The stamp looks bad and the stamp pad looks worse. Buy at your own risk. You don’t need to waste time with CCAS, the broach marks are gone and I believe Al G uses that as part of the authentication process. The vin fonts are incorrect, especially the 7 and the 2, it’s numbers matching, but not original at all.
Last edited by ed427vette; Oct 12, 2020 at 10:47 AM.
After looking at several original stamps in my photo collection of CGZ the stamp is a recreation of an original several fonts are way off. In the VIN the C, S, 0, 7 and 2 are not typical. On the suffix the V, 2, 3, 0, C, G and Z are not typical. At this point of production the yellow emissions label was no longer installed on 1971 Corvettes it stopped being installed at around VIN 2100. Plus there are many other items in the engine compartment that would have had deductions for. Here is an edited photo of the stamp with improved lighting.
Also the radio not installed was not called a radio delete all Corvette's orders started without a radio the option box had to checked for a radio to be installed.
After looking at several original stamps in my photo collection of CGZ the stamp is a recreation of an original several fonts are way off. In the VIN the C, S, 0, 7 and 2 are not typical. On the suffix the V, 2, 3, 0, C, G and Z are not typical. At this point of production the yellow emissions label was no longer installed on 1971 Corvettes it stopped being installed at around VIN 2100. Plus there are many other items in the engine compartment that would have had deductions for. Here is an edited photo of the stamp with improved lighting.
Also the radio not installed was not called a radio delete all Corvette's orders started without a radio the option box had to checked for a radio to be installed.
Well that's a bugger.
I guess I had my doubts hence the reason for the post. I'll likely still go see it but turn off my emotion gene beforehand.
If the car's engine block casting number and casting date coincide with the car's birthday, a case could be made for a rebuilder that decked the original block and wiped the original numbers; elsewise, its value should be comparable w/a nom car. Remember, lots of folks prefer a nom car, as the owner has lots of latitude with personalization.
Some years ago, a CF thread discussed LT-1 nom cars vs numbers-matching, original LT-1 cars. The consensus surfaced that the LT-1 powertrain made the car and, without it, the car should be valued as not having the option.
That stamp pad is actually a negative for the value of the car. It's awful. This could work in your favor. (JMHO)
Realizing that your across-the-pond car choices are somewhat limited, the price is strong. A quality restoration adds value, as does the car's location. The stamp pad reduces value. However, any purchase in America would necessarily incur various expenses as it came to you.
Have you been in the market long? I say that, because LT-1 prices are soft. The cars listed w/strong prices are not selling as they otherwise should. Having said that, top-shelf cars most always bring strong money.
If the car's engine block casting number and casting date coincide with the car's birthday, a case could be made for a rebuilder that decked the original block and wiped the original numbers; elsewise, its value should be comparable w/a nom car. Remember, lots of folks prefer a nom car, as the owner has lots of latitude with personalization.
Some years ago, a CF thread discussed LT-1 nom cars vs numbers-matching, original LT-1 cars. The consensus surfaced that the LT-1 powertrain made the car and, without it, the car should be valued as not having the option.
That stamp pad is actually a negative for the value of the car. It's awful. This could work in your favor. (JMHO)
Realizing that your across-the-pond car choices are somewhat limited, the price is strong. A quality restoration adds value, as does the car's location. The stamp pad reduces value. However, any purchase in America would necessarily incur various expenses as it came to you.
Have you been in the market long? I say that, because LT-1 prices are soft. The cars listed w/strong prices are not selling as they otherwise should. Having said that, top-shelf cars most always bring strong money.
Chuck
Hi Chuck.
I already have two 1971 LT-1's. One bought right here on the Forum 2015 which of course was then shipped out of NY. The other popped up out of a 20 year sleep not too far from me at just the right time as I wanted a project. To my knowledge, there are 5 LT-1's in the UK but that could be light in number. My mate Martin has a '72 he shipped in last year and there's also a white one also for sale at the moment which is now little more than a small block Chevy having a truck block. I shipped my red one from NY having given up finding one here or over Europe as these things are very rare here and I had a particular requirement. It incurred paint damage on the ship being left out in the elements for 4 months even though I had contracted an single occupancy enclosed container. Fortunately when it was repainted in 2008 they laid the paint on thick so I was able to buff out the damage by hand over 6 weeks. I couldn't use a knife & fork properly for weeks! I will go and see the OO one and take on board what has transpired here.
The pad doesn't have broach marks... the car has ignition shielding, cars with no radio DO NOT HAVE SHIELDING nor do they have the little radio capacitors on the coil or the heater motor.
My brother and I just bought a no radio 71 LT1...
The pad doesn't have broach marks... the car has ignition shielding, cars with no radio DO NOT HAVE SHIELDING nor do they have the little radio capacitors on the coil or the heater motor.
My brother and I just bought a no radio 71 LT1...
I remember you saying you'd bought another. They're like drugs these things...
Even without a radio I'd likely fit the shields to tidy things up a tad. I like original but I'm not as fastidious as you
Look forward to seeing more of the new one or have I missed a thread already?
This will help when you go look at the car its is just a basic Mechanical sheet I made 15 years ago. Also paper work is your next best item to help verify what the owner is stating. Be aware of forged paper it is easier to do then engine pad re-stamping. If you can get the Corvette in the air the transmission should have the VIN gang stamp just as the engine pad would have had same gang used. Should be on the passengers side vertical at the the back of the case. The 950 alternator should an open frame see photos.
I already have two 1971 LT-1's. One bought right here on the Forum 2015 which of course was then shipped out of NY. The other popped up out of a 20 year sleep not too far from me at just the right time as I wanted a project. To my knowledge, there are 5 LT-1's in the UK but that could be light in number. My mate Martin has a '72 he shipped in last year and there's also a white one also for sale at the moment which is now little more than a small block Chevy having a truck block. I shipped my red one from NY having given up finding one here or over Europe as these things are very rare here and I had a particular requirement. It incurred paint damage on the ship being left out in the elements for 4 months even though I had contracted an single occupancy enclosed container. Fortunately when it was repainted in 2008 they laid the paint on thick so I was able to buff out the damage by hand over 6 weeks. I couldn't use a knife & fork properly for weeks! I will go and see the OO one and take on board what has transpired here.
Stuart,
Nice garage!
Beautiful cars! Your engine shot is perfect.
Sounds like you're quite familiar w/these cars. Also, looks like your cars are really noticed and appreciated when you take them for a run. Nothing wrong with the 010 truck block, high-nickel, 4-bolt. Interesting, that my LT-1 car, (acquired from a forum member), wound up across the pond, too. Hope the new owner, a forum member, is enjoying it as much as I did. What a pleasure to drive!
I already have two 1971 LT-1's. One bought right here on the Forum 2015 which of course was then shipped out of NY. The other popped up out of a 20 year sleep not too far from me at just the right time as I wanted a project. To my knowledge, there are 5 LT-1's in the UK but that could be light in number. My mate Martin has a '72 he shipped in last year and there's also a white one also for sale at the moment which is now little more than a small block Chevy having a truck block. I shipped my red one from NY having given up finding one here or over Europe as these things are very rare here and I had a particular requirement. It incurred paint damage on the ship being left out in the elements for 4 months even though I had contracted an single occupancy enclosed container. Fortunately when it was repainted in 2008 they laid the paint on thick so I was able to buff out the damage by hand over 6 weeks. I couldn't use a knife & fork properly for weeks! I will go and see the OO one and take on board what has transpired here.
[QUOTE=brit vet;1602329674]I remember you saying you'd bought another. They're like drugs these things...
My physician's treatment for me is a regular regime of checking this forum 8 times every day. I have made vast improvement since following this Rx almost 10 years ago!😂. Just ask my wife!
LT-1 stamp pad ?
