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Old May 2, 2021 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by gbvette62
Generally, under Federal law, it is not illegal to remove and reattach a VIN tag, if it's necessary to do while making repairs, but I believe some states may have laws that are more restrictive. What you can't do though, is move a VIN tag from one car to another. Where the issue gets a little more murky, is when you start talking about things like, birdcages or whole bodies. Being of body on frame construction, it's probably not as much of an issue with a Corvette, as it is with a unibody car like a Camaro or Mustang, but it still brings up the question of which body does the VIN technically belong too.
I guess for most of us working on keeping a car on the road where we might remove and replace the tag, it comes down to intent. There are so many ways to get around this it's probably a non-issue unless you have an over-zealous officer/prosecutor with a grudge or higher ambition. Hell, don't drill the rivets out, just cut that section from the original, and patch weld it to the replacement - and make sure you do it so the trim covers the weld...

(To any law enforcement listening : I have no need to do this to my car, it's purely a curiosity question!) I swear!

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Old May 2, 2021 | 01:32 PM
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If you swap a VIN with the “INTENT” to defraud the DMV or with the “INTENT” to commit grand theft, you have committed a crime.
If you are restoring or repairing a vehicle it is not unlawful to remove a VIN plate from one vehicle and place it onto another.
The vehicles must be the same year and model, which will need to be verified buy the State motor vehicle department after a VIN verification is conducted by the state law enforcement agency.
The law enforcement agency and DMV will provide you all the proper paperwork and you may end up with a salvaged title.
Custom vehicles or vehicles built from the ground up will be issued a new assigned VIN plate or sticker for the vehicle based on the year of the body style and may be licensed as a “special construction vehicle”.
Throughout my career, I have found many vehicles which the front half of one vehicle and the rear half of another vehicle have been welded together and the seller was using the VIN from one or the other vehicle.
It is very common in in-home body shops when buying and selling wrecked and salvaged vehicles purchased cheap at actions.
All legal as far as licensing the vehicles, not so legal is the work done unlicensed in someone’s garage.
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Old May 2, 2021 | 04:44 PM
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I have one word for you - Dynacorn.

https://www.dynacornclassicbodies.com

The real question is, how much of the car can you replace before you cross the line? The answer is all of it as long as the vin is legitimate and you own the title. Dynacorn has been legally supporting it for 15 years. I’ve used several of their bodies.
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I have one word for you - Dynacorn.

https://www.dynacornclassicbodies.com

The real question is, how much of the car can you replace before you cross the line? The answer is all of it as long as the vin is legitimate and you own the title. Dynacorn has been legally supporting it for 15 years. I’ve used several of their bodies.
You know, the expense paid to buy an older classic such as a '66 Mustang convertible and then to have to strip it down and fix hidden issues, it might well be a better route to get a DMV re-issue VIN and use these shells and build your car. How good were the
shells that you bought? You always hear stories of poor fit for these re-stamped chassis parts...
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Originally Posted by jpatrick62
You know, the expense paid to buy an older classic such as a '66 Mustang convertible and then to have to strip it down and fix hidden issues, it might well be a better route to get a DMV re-issue VIN and use these shells and build your car. How good were the
shells that you bought? You always hear stories of poor fit for these re-stamped chassis parts...
I did three Mustangs - ‘66 fastback GT350 clone, ‘67 fastback Bullet clone, ‘68 fastback GT500KR clone. The stampings are nice and crisp with better fit and gaps than oem and are rust proofed inside the doors and su frame members. Having a complete vehicle for all the little parts that can be refurbished is key. Several times on the GT350, I bought a reproduction part that just didn’t fit and thought it was the Dynacorn and then tried it on the rust bucket with the exact same poor fit. That was my first one and I learned quickly to refurbish oem where ever possible. This is particularly important on the fastback models with all the little trim pieces that are either not reproduced or aren’t quite right. The bodies are expensive, but a clear time and materials savings if you have cowl rust (almost all do), torque box rust (all Dynacorn bodies have both torque boxes welded in and rust protected), or extensive body rust on the exterior.
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Old May 3, 2021 | 01:08 AM
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As I stated... If you own the VIN, there is nothing illegal in using it to build a vehicle. Folks replace frames, transmissions and engines all the time. Those just have a 'reference' stamping for identification. The only thing that counts in the "legal" world is the VIN....
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These are 40 year plus used Chevy's, nobody cares what you do.
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Old May 3, 2021 | 06:24 AM
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in a way you are right. most of the vin tag inspection is on 2 to 8 year old cars. mainly because of their values, but insurance companies do not like to pay off on the same totalled car if it gets totalled again. but any 40 plus year car that is getting rebuilt ain't chopped liver value-wise. and people DO get them stolen. and it is much easier to pop out a windshield and replace a vin tag than to restore a car complete. and when your car gets re-sold, the wrong rivets or too-new looking rivets may send buyers running away.
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My above statement was more about DMV than a buyer, around here half the time they don't even walk out to the car to check and if they did they wouldn't know what they were looking at.
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