C3 General General C3 Corvette Discussion not covered in Tech
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Hp vs torque

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 14, 2021 | 01:00 PM
  #21  
L-46man's Avatar
L-46man
Melting Slicks
 
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,232
Likes: 1,232
From: PHX AZ
Default

Apologies if this is repeated.

"You DRIVE torque, You SPEED horsepower".....can't be more simple.

Unkahal
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2021 | 01:06 PM
  #22  
sstonebreaker's Avatar
sstonebreaker
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,775
Likes: 585
From: Texas
Default

For all practical purposes, the difference between horsepower and torque is gearing.

What I mean is this. On the one hand, you have the L98. It makes about 340 ft/lbs at 3200 rpm with a 4800 rpm redline.
Now take an imaginary F1 engine that makes the exact same torque but from 3200 all the way out to 15,000 rpm.

Put them in otherwise identical C4's and line them up at the drag strip.

When they launch, they're neck and neck. But as soon as the L98 car shifts to second, the F1 car starts pulling away. 340 ft/lbs at 15,000 rpm works out to over 900 hp, btw.
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2021 | 03:53 PM
  #23  
resdoggie's Avatar
resdoggie
Had a 1976 L-82, 4-sp
Supporting Lifetime
10 Year Member
Veteran: Navy
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 5,338
Likes: 1,213
From: Some days your the dog and some days your the hydrant.
Royal Canadian Navy
Default


One mechanical horsepower lifts 550 pounds (250 kg) by 1 foot in 1 second.





The constant 5252 is the rounded value of (33,000 ft⋅lbf/min)/(2π rad/rev)


Last edited by resdoggie; Jun 14, 2021 at 03:56 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2021 | 04:17 PM
  #24  
aerofix's Avatar
aerofix
Instructor
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 121
Likes: 39
From: Billerica Massachusetts
Default

Oh resdoggie, since you put it that way it clears it right up...(sarcasm). I think my head just exploded!!! Actually, very nicely done.
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2021 | 04:22 PM
  #25  
resdoggie's Avatar
resdoggie
Had a 1976 L-82, 4-sp
Supporting Lifetime
10 Year Member
Veteran: Navy
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 5,338
Likes: 1,213
From: Some days your the dog and some days your the hydrant.
Royal Canadian Navy
Default

HP is the rate of TQ the same way as speed is the rate of distance e.g, distance is 50 miles but to travel 50 miles in one hour is 50 miles/hr, i.e. the rate of distance. Also, acceleration is the rate of speed i.e. 32 ft/second/second or 32ft per second squared.
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2021 | 11:46 PM
  #26  
lowbuck72's Avatar
lowbuck72
Drifting
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,950
Likes: 498
From: Chino Hills CA
Default

Every engine makes torque and horsepower. Its design can favor one or the other depending on its intended use. For example, imagine two engines with the same displacement, one with a long stroke and short bore and the other with a short stroke and a large bore. The long stroke engine makes a lot of torque at low rpm due to it's high relative compression, high charge velocity, relatively small valves (think Harley). The short stroke engine makes little power with each stroke, but its large bore allows room for large valves, and can tolerate high rpm due to its low piston speed and short stroke and that's where it makes it power, torque, not so much.

Why is this important, why do we care? Because you can build an engine depending on it's intended use. Back when the the Boss 302's were duking it out with the 302 Z/28's, Chevy needed a high revver and stay within a displacement class, so they destroked the 327 to maximize the bore and have a short stroke favoring horspower over torque. For a daily dependable- slug-it-out-for-the-masses small block usually hooked up to a powerglide Chevy gave you a 307, longer stroke, shorter bore, favoring torque over horsepower. Obviously cams, head porting, carburation, gearing, etc, all play a part as well, but generally speaking high revvers maximize horsepower over torque and stump pullers maximize torque and don't need a lot of rpm. (we're talking naturally aspirated engines here)
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2021 | 09:42 AM
  #27  
kodpkd's Avatar
kodpkd
Le Mans Master
Active Streak: 30 Days
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 5,443
Likes: 2,164
From: Loveland
Default

A Harley has HP,,, a 2 stroke Kawasaki has torque. Both can have 100 hp.
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2021 | 12:30 PM
  #28  
stingr69's Avatar
stingr69
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 7,473
Likes: 1,495
From: Little Rock AR
Default

The math has been well covered above. It's Torque x RPM x (a constant) = HP

In the automotive application, it might be better described as "where in the RPM range do you want YOUR torque to be?"

You must have a preference! You can not have it all. You must choose where in the RPM range you want the torque to peak. If you want to have a low RPM torque peak, you will make less HP. If you want to make more HP....you need to move the torque peak to a higher RPM point. Remember, ....big HP comes from what ever your torque is... MULTIPLIED BY THE RPM!

You give up lower RPM torque and increase HP by moving the torque peak higher up in the RPM scale.

Last edited by stingr69; Jun 15, 2021 at 12:31 PM.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-1

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

 Brett Foote
story-7

Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-8

10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Jun 15, 2021 | 10:17 PM
  #29  
lowbuck72's Avatar
lowbuck72
Drifting
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,950
Likes: 498
From: Chino Hills CA
Default

Actually you can have it all. With supercharging, turbocharging, variable valve timing and lift, there are engines out there that can do it all, albiet at the cost of complexity.
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2021 | 02:15 PM
  #30  
Vibguy's Avatar
Vibguy
Pro
Supporting Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 518
Likes: 365
From: San Diego
2023 C3 of the Year Finalist - Modified
Default

Originally Posted by lowbuck72
Actually you can have it all. With supercharging, turbocharging, variable valve timing and lift, there are engines out there that can do it all, albiet at the cost of complexity.
You can have it all with electric motors too....... run away........run away.............sorry, don't want to start anything........just trying to be funny......
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2021 | 02:32 PM
  #31  
GTR1999's Avatar
GTR1999
Tech Contributor
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 15,156
Likes: 3,965
From: Connecticut, USA
Default

I look at it like this
Torque gets you to work everyday.
HP takes all your cash you make at work and leads to divorce in the endless, mindless quest for more.
Both end up breaking the parts in your vette and you dump more into them.
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2021 | 03:00 PM
  #32  
sstonebreaker's Avatar
sstonebreaker
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,775
Likes: 585
From: Texas
Default

Originally Posted by Vibguy
You can have it all with electric motors too....... run away........run away.............sorry, don't want to start anything........just trying to be funny......
All but quick recharge time.

Originally Posted by GTR1999
I look at it like this
Torque gets you to work everyday.
HP takes all your cash you make at work and leads to divorce in the endless, mindless quest for more.
Both end up breaking the parts in your vette and you dump more into them.
Troof!
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2021 | 03:19 PM
  #33  
NewbVetteGuy's Avatar
NewbVetteGuy
Melting Slicks
 
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 2,979
Likes: 332
From: Woodinville WA
Default


Tesla Torque / HP curve at different states of charge, just for fun.;-)
Model 3 Performance on a hub dyno showed 750 ft lbs @ 5,500 rpm.
S P100D in Ludacris mode put down 920 ft lbs on a chassis dyno @4,700rpm on it's 3rd pass and was spinning some...

How much torque do you want and where do you want it?

Adam

Last edited by NewbVetteGuy; Jun 16, 2021 at 03:24 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2021 | 11:34 PM
  #34  
lowbuck72's Avatar
lowbuck72
Drifting
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,950
Likes: 498
From: Chino Hills CA
Default

This gentleman's Vette had no torque
So everyone called him a dork
So with a 502 crate
He t-boned a gate
Now he can't eat with a fork
Reply




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:57 PM.

story-0
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-2
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

Slideshow: Ranking the top 10 Corvette engines by torque output.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:58:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

Slideshow: A Corvette pace car nearly matching IndyCar speeds sounds exaggerated, until you look at the numbers.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-04 20:03:36


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

Among a rather large group of them.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:56:44


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

Slideshow: the top 10 things Corvette owners want in the C9 Corvette

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-30 12:41:15


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

Slideshow: 10 Important Corvette 'firsts' that every fan should know.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 17:02:16


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

Slideshow: Should you buy a 2020-2026 Corvette or wait for 2027?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 10:08:58


VIEW MORE