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If you can make the pad APPARE original with broaching marks and the correct fonts and nothing else on the car sticks out like the car grew 100 cubic inches you can get full credit. If the pad appears to be altered you will get points taken off. Then the judges look over the car to make sure it is what it should be. If they determined it counterfeit you will be asked to leave and not come back for a year and the car can no longer be judged. The higher the judging level is the better the judges get. When dad and I had the black 67 427 at a regional Al Greening was the one to look over the stamp pad and trim tag. So you are not going to fool a lot of judges
Maybe things have changed with NCRS but it USED to be that if you where truthful that you restamped the engine you lost points. If you didn’t and ran it through judging and it past muster you got the points for an original engine. The whole thing just geared people to be untruthful.
NCRS cylinder case points are for 68 to 72 corvettes.
A. Case number and Configuration 350 points
B. Casting Date 175
C. Assembly Stamp 25
D. VIN Diverted 25
E. Engine paid Surface Finish 38
If "A" is a fails deduct 350 do not judge "B" "C" or "D"
If "B" fails deduct 175 do not judge "C" or "D"
Max points for the block in NCRS judging is 350, not 613… You get the case/casting number right, you move to the next line. If lose the casting date, it’s only 175 (not 350+175)
Max points for the block in NCRS judging is 350, not 613… You get the case/casting number right, you move to the next line. If lose the casting date, it’s only 175 (not 350+175)
I think you need to start judging again!
Regards,
Stan
Stan
Your are right fingers move before brain plus has be a while since I did any NCRS judging. Will edit my response. Trying to do it from memory not a good thing anymore.
None of the latest posts have answered my question if you go back to my post # 39 and see what I have bonded this is basically the question I am looking for an answer to.
To my knowledge NCRS judges the appearance of originality but does not certify or guarantee originality. So in the event of an engine stamping, the judges would give full points to the owner if it had the right numbers, fonts, broach marks etc even if it may not be the original motor. NCRS allows for restoration motors, but that doesn't mean you will receive all of the possible points. Restoration motors are judged differently at NCRS than at Bloomington Gold.
Here is a great example. This car received a national Top Flight award and originally started as a green 390 HP car. Then the car became a black/red L88. The trim tag is a repo and the motor is a restamp. The car was judged regionally and received a Top Flight with a non oem motor and trim tag because it was judged not for originality but for what the car was at the time of judging. If it was judged as at a national event the judges would have caught the engine stamp and trim tag. Before the car went to Mecum I was interested as a real L88 but the owner was forthright and said it was a clone, so I passed. It ended up selling for at Mecum and later at Proteam where it brought close to $100k. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...VERTIBLE-43641
Maybe things have changed with NCRS but it USED to be that if you where truthful that you restamped the engine you lost points. If you didn’t and ran it through judging and it past muster you got the points for an original engine. The whole thing just geared people to be untruthful.
Your statement is still correct you inform the judges you have a re-stamped VIN and Suffix you will loss points accordingly to what is seen. But if you run the car through judging and it passes then you have fooled the judges. But that would vary if it is a Chapter, Regional or National. Can judges be fooled yes but in today's environment of excellent cameras and phone cameras to enlarge the stamp pad on a screen it is very difficult. Plus all the additional photos of engine pad library information available today for a judge. But also if you are having a low production rare Corvette judged you will need additional evidence proving that is the way the Corvette started life. That would be Verified original documentation.
Here is a great example. This car received a national Top Flight award and originally started as a green 390 HP car. Then the car became a black/red L88. The trim tag is a repo and the motor is a restamp. The car was judged regionally and received a Top Flight with a non oem motor and trim tag because it was judged not for originality but for what the car was at the time of judging. If it was judged as at a national event the judges would have caught the engine stamp and trim tag. Before the car went to Mecum I was interested as a real L88 but the owner was forthright and said it was a clone, so I passed. It ended up selling for at Mecum and later at Proteam where it brought close to $100k. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...VERTIBLE-43641
Look at the time frame when the car was judged early 2000's. The information in the judging manual was limited back then. The manual was around 110 pages today the same judging manual is 230 plus pages. The knowledge of the judges today and the total information available to them is a 1000 fold from then. Due the hundreds of researches (Judges) compiling data over 30 plus years from as many original Corvette that could found. Would the same Corvette pass mustered today that would most likely be a resounding NO.
