Lawyers have ruined another Vehicle.

 

Are all the lawyers choosing to buy Challengers and Mustangs, resulting in the laughable ~24,000 a year sales figures for the Camaro?
Or did GM ruin the Camaro by producing an ugly car with a claustrophobic interior, which results in those competitors selling more than double each year?
Also something is drastically wrong when the much more expensive Corvette outsells the Camaro 2:1. Has that ever happened before? A purpose built 2 seater super car vs a 4 passenger daily driver. lol

 

I've always been a GM guy. When my wife and I retired about 6 years ago we wanted a long distance hot rod. So we were looking at Camaros and Mustangs. We were only considering convertibles. So no Challengers.
I used to travel for work a lot and National had Camaros for rent from time to time. The trouble with Camaros with the top up the side windows are so short in heavy traffic its really hard to see out and the side mirrors aren't big. Then let's think about the less than loved 8 speed auto.
We ended up with a 14 Mustang vert with the 5.0/6speed combo.18k miles. We were the second owner and it was never driven in the snow. Sweet car. Zero issues.
Last Sept we traded it for 20 Mustang GT vert with a 5.0/10 speed auto combo. 22K miles. Just got tired of shifting. Same thing we were the second owner. Never driven in the winter. Again a sweet car.
We got more for the 14 Mustang trade wise than we paid or it 6 years ago. Pretty crazy!
The Mustangs and Camaros aren't really four seaters unless you are less than 4 foot tall and have small feet to fit into the back seat.
With no more new Camaros the price of used will just go up.

 

Here's my 2 cents. The Camaro is a dumb car. They made GM money back when young single women bought them 'cause they were cheap and stylish, not because of the muscle. (Same with the Mustang). They're no longer cheap or stylish and young single women buy Kias. Why buy a Camaro with a V8 with a worthless back seat when you can have a Corvette. You ever ride in the back seat of a Camaro or try a put a child car seat in one? The 2014-2016 Chevy SS was an awesome 4 door sedan with an LS3 and a six speed manual, but nobody bought them. So what to guys with a family and the longing for a V8 buy? Trucks of course, and GM loves to sell them 'cause that's where the profit is. Camaro rest in peace? Good riddance.

 

I came back from a HPDE as Summit Point raceway. There was a ZL1 Camaro there. I could not believe how fast it was. I also saw the YouTube vid on the ZL1 car running at Nuremberg. I would not mind owning one.

 

I used to get weird about the cancellation of a car or brand but now I could give a ****......if you want what is cancelled, there are plenty of options out there.....go buy an example of what you want......somebody has one somewhere.
As for continuing the Camaro......I was never a fan of the 2010 redesign, and the 2nd redesign is a joke.......I often wonder what you are supposed to do in a crash or fire to get out of the car if the doors won't open.....that mail slot of a window hole is not letting you out.....unless you wear a size 30 pant and weight about 145 lbs. max.....it feels like you are sitting in a bathtub and the visibility sucks.......
Looking at sales....the Camaro recovered after COVID....the Mustang and Challenger sales were dismal too.....Ford somehow always has a Mustang.....must be that old Detroit money......
I'm not sad about it.......whatever.......kids want JDM Supra's and RX7's......and these new pony cars are priced out of the market.......
I have driven several Mustangs since the 2005 redesign......my little brother has a mint 05' GT Coupe he bought new in 05'.....80k miles on it......CAI, tune, SLP loud mouth.....I borrowed it last year when we went up to PA for his wedding......been years since I drove it, but on the winding roads and hills of East PA...that damn car does everything right......my wife even loved it.......I drove a 2018 5.0l 10 speed auto and it was stupid fast.....my little brother has a 2018 Demon as well and put about 50 miles on it a while back too....5 WOT passes between two corn fields.....just silly.......the point is that all of these did everything better than the Camaro to me......the Challenger has a real back seat too.....the newest Camaro is like a 2010 Camaro trying to be a Supra.....the packaging is all wrong......the secretary dynamic is gone now....GM makes poor decisions anyway......so none of this is surprising.....
GM killed the Camaro the first time due to an aging Quebec plant and the lack of a contract......no money to retool for a redesign......this time it will die because everyone who wanted one of these bathtubs has one....

Jebby

 

I had a 68 Camaro SS 350 4speed. My first real car. Fast but actually very versatile. Cool daily driver. Rear bench seat, sat 5 teenagers comfortably.

I had a 70 Z28 RS 4 speed that I raced for 30 years. Great car and combo. A hot rod with that engine, not very versatile. Too extreme for a daily driver. Two bucket rear seat and much darker with loss of side windows and too long door. Great car but it might as well have been a Corvette.

I wanted a new Camaro Z28 really bad when they came out. Would have been like the perfect trifecta. They did an ad with the new & an old '70 Z28-RS. The performance was awesome, but the interior was an absolute joke. Slits for windows and a coffin like back seat. Interior felt 1/3 the size. The door lip was at my eye level. I could not see out of the car well in any direction except for straight ahead. Absolutely useless design that would have been scary to drive if you can't see. I could not stand the car. Same chassis as the CTS but I can see out of the CTS that I bought instead. My neighbor wanted one but bought a Challenger instead, for the same reason.

If I was not the target market for the car, then who the heck was? Sad day. GM has a habit of doing this.....

They turned it into another halo car, and they do not need 2 of those. Performance alone can not make a car line profitable. They lost the main market or the "secretary" market, and so lost the essence of the car.

 

It's the end of the camaro as we know and I feel fine. I got a collector edition camaro to go with my collector edition corvette.

 

The ZL1 is in a league all of it's own .........................

 

No great loss in my opinion. I rented one on vacation in Florida a few years ago, was a convertible. I felt claustrophobic with the top up! [and I'm not considered a tall guy] 1972 was the last good year!

 

I have owned 2 Camaro's. First a 1967 RS 327 3-spd manual and a 1995 Z28 LT1 6-spd. Enjoyed both. Went to check on the 2010 when it came out and my head hit the roof sitting in it. GM missed the mark with it as it never sold well after 2010 re-introduction. ZL-1 is probably great but who wants a $80,000 Camaro? Chevrolet could use a small pickup in the lineup to compete with the Maverick...since using old car names on trucks is a thing now.

 

Yes the LT-1 (or SS), Z28 and the ZL-1 are fabulous cars, but are very close in price and performance to the Corvette.
And sales of those performance models is not enough to continue the line.
They have missed the mark with the non-performance cars. I believe it is those sales that have always supported the Camaro line sales-wise.
GM will put up with that on the Corvette, but can't do that for 2 car lines. They do not need two "Halo" cars.
And you hardly ever see a regular Camaro anymore, for years. Since after the 2010 re-introduction.
The claustrophobia and the extremely plain interior are just too awful vs the Mustang.
I would love to see a sales split of regular vs performance for both Camaros & Mustangs.
The only basic models I see are Mustangs, there are a lot of those, not Camaros.
In the old days 80% of Camaros & Mustangs were the plain ones.

 

Good bye Challenger & Charger too!

 

Good bye 2 & 4 door Coupes & Sedans
We live in a SUV world now...

Except for me.....never!....

 

And goodbye a lot of ICE and almost all the manuals!

 

Just had a thought…
They can’t have an EV called “Charger”..
lol

 

GM is convinced that they can stay in business making only high-profit trucks and SUVs, as they fully electrify.

They will only stay in business when we bail them out again in a few years.

 

We had a 67 years and years ago that we bought for a trip back east but then sold. Turned out that she really loved that car but a 65 Volvo 122S was her first car and we kept that instead. After reading this, I asked her if we should have kept the 67 and sold the 65. She just looked at me in some heightened state of sudden awareness. You may know the look.

 

For 2024 Chrysler only made one car under the Chrysler nameplate. Pacifica
Almost impossible to buy an American car.

 

Might be a good Idea, have you seen the ford mustang Mach-EV ? I have not seen a nice looking Affordable EV Car yet. Based on looks my budget would be 20k Max for these ugly cars. And need to last 25 years.