Stalling issue
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Stalling issue
I’m having a problem that I can’t seem to work out.
My 77 vette starts easily and never has an issue……unless I stall it.
When stall it, it won’t start and it’s like I haven’t got my foot on the clutch.
If I roll start it, it fires straight up and I can then turn it off and it cracks over like normal.
Any pointers would be appreciated.
I know don’t stall it is one option 😂
My 77 vette starts easily and never has an issue……unless I stall it.
When stall it, it won’t start and it’s like I haven’t got my foot on the clutch.
If I roll start it, it fires straight up and I can then turn it off and it cracks over like normal.
Any pointers would be appreciated.
I know don’t stall it is one option 😂
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If I understand?
When engine is hot the STARTER won't spin and engine won't start?
Heat soak
possible bad parts
starter Solenoid
wire to Solenoid
ground of Solenoid
starter itself is bad
When engine is hot the STARTER won't spin and engine won't start?
Heat soak
possible bad parts
starter Solenoid
wire to Solenoid
ground of Solenoid
starter itself is bad
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Thanks for your reply
It starts whether it’s hot or cold without a problem however if I stall the car (at the lights for example) then it won’t start.
if I don’t stall it no issue but if I do then it doesn’t turn over at all. Like it does when I haven’t got the clutch pushed in.
Cheers
Dave
It starts whether it’s hot or cold without a problem however if I stall the car (at the lights for example) then it won’t start.
if I don’t stall it no issue but if I do then it doesn’t turn over at all. Like it does when I haven’t got the clutch pushed in.
Cheers
Dave
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so some thing that keeps the car from cranking only happens when you
use clutch and not enough throttle to stall engine?
first thought is bad motor mounts allowing engine to move and
mess up the wires?
use clutch and not enough throttle to stall engine?
first thought is bad motor mounts allowing engine to move and
mess up the wires?
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It's a strange one alright. On a 77 the wire that goes to the starter solenoid goes through a plastic one wire connector, on the firewall, just passengers side of the distributor. Being old and plastic It's possible when the engine jerks this connector is being disturbed. Look for it, check it over.
mine failed about 8 years ago.
Might not be it, but certainly something to check.
mine failed about 8 years ago.
Might not be it, but certainly something to check.
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Thanks for that.
Today I was stopped at a set of light on a hill. Stupidly put it in 3rd rather than 4th and stalled it.
Turned it off and back on again and everything comes on but doesn’t kick over. Exactly the same as not having the clutch depressed.
Waited until the traffic was gone, rolled backwards and jump started it.
Has been turned on and off 8 times today and starts every time no issue.
Did the same thing to me 2 weeks ago when I stalled when I was trying to reverse up a little hill and I didn’t give it enough trottle. Stalled it and it wouldn’t start again and I had to push start it
Very weird
Today I was stopped at a set of light on a hill. Stupidly put it in 3rd rather than 4th and stalled it.
Turned it off and back on again and everything comes on but doesn’t kick over. Exactly the same as not having the clutch depressed.
Waited until the traffic was gone, rolled backwards and jump started it.
Has been turned on and off 8 times today and starts every time no issue.
Did the same thing to me 2 weeks ago when I stalled when I was trying to reverse up a little hill and I didn’t give it enough trottle. Stalled it and it wouldn’t start again and I had to push start it
Very weird
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Just thinking out loud here.
maybe try putting it in first gear before letting out the clutch. 4th gear really doesn't work out much better than 3rd.
maybe try putting it in first gear before letting out the clutch. 4th gear really doesn't work out much better than 3rd.
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I kinda thought so, but I had to rib you.
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Still, something is causing your solenoid to not engage. Check that wiring connector I spoke about.
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that is weird....stalling it should have anything to do with it not starting again. When you start it do you turn th ekey off then back on again or do you just go to start from the on position....if you can, could you go out and start it in your drive way and stall it then try to restart it by turning the key all the way off first...
Im thinking you may have to adjust your ignition switch that is inside the column, not the key switch, it may be that you are just not getting full through of the switch, its the only thing that makes sense with your description
Im thinking you may have to adjust your ignition switch that is inside the column, not the key switch, it may be that you are just not getting full through of the switch, its the only thing that makes sense with your description
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You use the term crank and start in the same paragraphs. There is a H-U-G-E difference between a:
No Crank Issue
No Start Issue
If your clutch is NOT pressed in all the way, what happens when you hit the key?
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Thanks for your reply
It starts whether it’s hot or cold without a problem however if I stall the car (at the lights for example) then it won’t start.
if I don’t stall it no issue but if I do then it doesn’t turn over at all. Like it does when I haven’t got the clutch pushed in.
Cheers
Dave
It starts whether it’s hot or cold without a problem however if I stall the car (at the lights for example) then it won’t start.
if I don’t stall it no issue but if I do then it doesn’t turn over at all. Like it does when I haven’t got the clutch pushed in.
Cheers
Dave
When discussing engine starting issues on a forum, it is imperative that there is no confusion and that everyone is on the same page.
You use the term crank and start in the same paragraphs. There is a H-U-G-E difference between a:
No Crank Issue
No Start Issue
If your clutch is NOT pressed in all the way, what happens when you hit the key?
You use the term crank and start in the same paragraphs. There is a H-U-G-E difference between a:
No Crank Issue
No Start Issue
If your clutch is NOT pressed in all the way, what happens when you hit the key?
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So the OP has no problems starting it any time except for right after he stalls it.
I would think if it was switch or wiring related it would be either a constant or intermittent issue any time.
What happens when we cause a stall and the engine dies?
Are there any electronic components on the later model years that could be causing this failure?
I would think if it was switch or wiring related it would be either a constant or intermittent issue any time.
What happens when we cause a stall and the engine dies?
Are there any electronic components on the later model years that could be causing this failure?
Is my vette stock?? HAHA
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Well its 2 or 3 screws holding the switch to the column...easy enough to loosen up and slide an 1/8th inch closer to the key to eliminate it....as long as he can fit under there with the seat installed....or he can spend a week chasing a wiring problem that only exists if the car stalls...baloney assumption. Makes zero sense...i still say he doesnt get full throw on the key unless he turns it off first which no one would do if it stalled....go with the obvious and easiest checks first...always.
Why wouldnt he push the clutch to the flooor just out of muscle memory to restart....
Why wouldnt he push the clutch to the flooor just out of muscle memory to restart....