Starter overheating problems
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I had the same issue with my high compression 427 and it's starter would get heat soaked and turned very slowly. I switched over to a small Hitachi Gear drive starter and it works great. I don't have any protective blanket over the starter, just my long tube headers.
The very best way to start an engine like this is to use a Ignition Box that offers the feature where startup timing that can be pulled back up to 20* only while cranking and then the timing returns after it starts up. I was amazed at the HUGE difference it makes on a Hot big block as after pulling the timing my car cranks like a Mopar slant six engine. It spins much faster with the timing pulled back and allows the engine to start easier. The new MSD Ignition boxes can do the timing retard while cranking, I have a MSD Digital Retard Box which performs the function for my C3 and the starting has never been easier and I have zero issues with Hot starts.
Yuck.....that is a toyota and that is Japanese *#@*. I won't own any car from Asia. I like pictures of nice Corvettes, not Asian cars.....
The very best way to start an engine like this is to use a Ignition Box that offers the feature where startup timing that can be pulled back up to 20* only while cranking and then the timing returns after it starts up. I was amazed at the HUGE difference it makes on a Hot big block as after pulling the timing my car cranks like a Mopar slant six engine. It spins much faster with the timing pulled back and allows the engine to start easier. The new MSD Ignition boxes can do the timing retard while cranking, I have a MSD Digital Retard Box which performs the function for my C3 and the starting has never been easier and I have zero issues with Hot starts.
Yuck.....that is a toyota and that is Japanese *#@*. I won't own any car from Asia. I like pictures of nice Corvettes, not Asian cars.....
Melting Slicks
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Insulating blankets are not as effective , they actually hold the heat in too. You need something to reflect the radiant heat like an aluminum shield with an air gap. But you have something else going on also, if it takes six hours to re-start.
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Le Mans Master
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Just like dynamat under the carpet, it reflects.
The only way a starter wrap would hold heat is when a starter has been cranking & cranking for several minutes. That would be heat inside the blanket rather than outside the blanket.
Melting Slicks
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I disagree. Any of those blankets for starters or wraps for fuel lines or tubes for wiring have been proven effective in blocking / reflecting heat.
Just like dynamat under the carpet, it reflects.
The only way a starter wrap would hold heat is when a starter has been cranking & cranking for several minutes. That would be heat inside the blanket rather than outside the blanket.
Just like dynamat under the carpet, it reflects.
The only way a starter wrap would hold heat is when a starter has been cranking & cranking for several minutes. That would be heat inside the blanket rather than outside the blanket.
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I did get it out by squeezing it past the headers. I checked the numbers for it and it is originally for a 2000 silverado 1500. And it is a mini starter so overheating was not the problem I believe. I'll have it tested tomorrow
Last edited by CiCiC3; Sep 13, 2024 at 11:14 PM.
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Racer
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So after testing the starter and solenoid and battery it all checks good! I put it all back together and now it has no electrical responses at all. Not even a click sound from the starter. Fuses on the floor board all look good. Haven't checked whether the headlights turn on but most likely not. I will start with looking for a voltage drop some where. hmm
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Racer
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Auto electrician says it's probably the battery to starter fusable link that has gone out. First you need to find out why it went out. And be careful you could burn your whole car up and your house if in the garage. I remember people telling me their old corvette burned to the ground and to be careful. I thought they were crazy but maybe not after all.?
Melting Slicks
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Standard Ignition Products aka Blue Streak makes a high Temp. Solenoid for these starters. It comes with a Teflon bobbin. It definitely helped my heat soak problems with headers.
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Racer
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[QUOTE=1Hotrodz;1608223771]Standard Ignition Products aka Blue Streak makes a high Temp. Solenoid for these starters. It comes with a Teflon bobbin. It definitely helped my heat soak problems with headers.[/QUOTe
I’ll have to check the price and fit but maybe a heat cover would work well too.
I’ll have to check the price and fit but maybe a heat cover would work well too.
Melting Slicks
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[QUOTE=CiCiC3;1608223881][QUOTE=1Hotrodz;1608223771]Standard Ignition Products aka Blue Streak makes a high Temp. Solenoid for these starters. It comes with a Teflon bobbin. It definitely helped my heat soak problems with headers.[/QUOTe
I’ll have to check the price and fit but maybe a heat cover would work well too.[/QUOTE
Yes, get the heat shield. This will reflect the radiant heat from the headers.
I’ll have to check the price and fit but maybe a heat cover would work well too.[/QUOTE
Yes, get the heat shield. This will reflect the radiant heat from the headers.
Le Mans Master
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From: North tonawanda NY
I had a kit car years ago and I fell into the same trap, it was the same issue, bad ground connection.
BTW I have sidepipes and a standard smaller s10 type starter, never an issue
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Racer
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From: Charlotte NC
It might be a clutch pedal height adjustment problem for starting. It could have slipped down too far?
Last edited by CiCiC3; Dec 31, 2024 at 11:52 AM.