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My 76 is shaking, bouncing, whatever you want to call it. The faster I go the worse it gets. And I feel like it's the front but not 100% sure. It's not the tires / rims. I've had them checked by two different places. I know it could be a few things but is there something that would be more common for me to check out?
I'd still guess wheels/tires before anything else. What's the date code on the tires?
If you have a square set, rotate them front to back, and side, to side. If the symptoms don't change, I'll shut up.
Haven't had the car long and I swear it did not do this with the 15 year old tires that were on the car.
So, I put brand new tires and two new rims. Took it back to the dealer that sold me the tires and they balanced them again. No change. But I was still thinking (hoping) it was tires or rim. So, I swapped out one at a time with a spare that I made sure was balanced. No change. Then took the car to Discount Tires where they do a road force balancing. No change. That's where I'm at. Guess I'll take it to a shop in the near future.
Haven't had the car long and I swear it did not do this with the 15 year old tires that were on the car.
So, I put brand new tires and two new rims. Took it back to the dealer that sold me the tires and they balanced them again. No change. But I was still thinking (hoping) it was tires or rim. So, I swapped out one at a time with a spare that I made sure was balanced. No change. Then took the car to Discount Tires where they do a road force balancing. No change. That's where I'm at. Guess I'll take it to a shop in the near future.
It's never anything easy. That certainly covers the tire the tire question.
I'd look for worn ball joints, bad bushings (trailing arms and strut rods), or even a cracked frame (near the steering box, perhaps).
Is the shaking RPM dependent? If you engage the clutch, or put the car in Neutral, does the shaking go away?
Mine did the same thing about 2 years ago. Front end would shake so bad I thought the fenders would crack right off the car! I never did run a thread on it. But it was discussed on the "What did you do to your C3 today " thread for over 6 months.
I ended up completely rebuilding absolutely everything under the car. Every ball joint, every tie rod end, idler arm, steering box, shock, U joint, wheel bearing, absolutely everything! And still it shook.
had the drive shaft rebalanced twice, Finally in absolute desperation, took the half shafts in to have them balanced. Yes had changed all U joints a few months earlier. Found the joints of the half shafts twisted. Only found that by spinning on the balance machine. Yes rebuilt the rear spindles, you name it. I was going mad and broke. New half shafts later. And finally it was fixed.
for 46 years it didn't shake. Then. It did and I couldn't find it or even pin point where its was coming from. I feel your pain.
Best of luck finding it.
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You need to be methodical....what speed does it start at, is it rpm dependant, same speed but different gears, get worse in a turn, any loud clunking when taking off from a stop?
Lots of things can do this as everyone stated
Ball joints, tie rod ends, idler arm, loose steering connections.
Broken motor mounts, tranny mounts, rear differential snubbers, u joints, ya got 6....loose traling arms, loose connecting arms....
I would start logging the pertinent info. Then go to each tire and yank on it to see if anything is loose, then jack up each tire and do it again rocking the top and bottom then left and right....get underneath and spin the shafts although you need to support the rear trailing arms so the half shafts joints dont bind
What brand of tires?
When I bought my '75 coupe last year, the PO had installed new "Phantom" brand tires as the car had sat unused for many years. The local tire shop uses a "road force" balancing technique and claimed the tires were balanced. After a couple of trips to the local shop, due to front end shake, I asked the guys there to put the wheels/tires on the balance machine and just spin for runout/true check. All tires were 1/16" or more out of round. Cheap tires. Replaced with BFG's and the car drives smooth as glass.
You need to be methodical....what speed does it start at, is it rpm dependant, same speed but different gears, get worse in a turn, any loud clunking when taking off from a stop?
Lots of things can do this as everyone stated
Ball joints, tie rod ends, idler arm, loose steering connections.
Broken motor mounts, tranny mounts, rear differential snubbers, u joints, ya got 6....loose traling arms, loose connecting arms....
I would start logging the pertinent info. Then go to each tire and yank on it to see if anything is loose, then jack up each tire and do it again rocking the top and bottom then left and right....get underneath and spin the shafts although you need to support the rear trailing arms so the half shafts joints dont bind
It does it all the time. Worse as you go faster. I'm just going to put it in the shop. Too much for me to try and figure out. Thanks for your input.
What brand of tires?
When I bought my '75 coupe last year, the PO had installed new "Phantom" brand tires as the car had sat unused for many years. The local tire shop uses a "road force" balancing technique and claimed the tires were balanced. After a couple of trips to the local shop, due to front end shake, I asked the guys there to put the wheels/tires on the balance machine and just spin for runout/true check. All tires were 1/16" or more out of round. Cheap tires. Replaced with BFG's and the car drives smooth as glass.
New Cooper Cobra's. I've had two different shops balance them.
What perplexes me is that you didn't have the problem until you put on new tires and rims. Coincidence?
I believe that what I've done to make sure the tires are balanced it must be a coincidence. The previous owner had the car for 8 years and never did anything to it other than drive it a few miles every 3-4 months. In my mind I sure want it to be the tires, I may swap out tires one at a time, one more time just to be sure. Then it's going in the shop.
Seems you have ruled out the wheels and tires. Car is 50 years old and all those suspension joints and rubber parts have arthritis. You are driving it a lot compared to previous owners and that old stuff can’t keep up anymore. Going through the same with my 78.
if the shaking / vibration happens under load it most likely is one or all of the 6 u joints.
if you feel it through the steering wheel I would start with front suspension parts. Control arm bushings and ball joints were my problem. To replace control arm bushings requires complete disassembly. During reassembly replace ball joints tie rod ends etc .
in my case after front end rebuil car is still “squarely”. To the point I can’t drive it. Currently removing the trailing arms and differential for professional rebuild. Not unusual for TA bushings to were out. My car has at least 110k miles, so there is that wear factor which you might not have.
Please keep this up as you work this through. Really interested in how you get it all fixed.
Seems you have ruled out the wheels and tires. Car is 50 years old and all those suspension joints and rubber parts have arthritis. You are driving it a lot compared to previous owners and that old stuff can’t keep up anymore. Going through the same with my 78.
if the shaking / vibration happens under load it most likely is one or all of the 6 u joints.
if you feel it through the steering wheel I would start with front suspension parts. Control arm bushings and ball joints were my problem. To replace control arm bushings requires complete disassembly. During reassembly replace ball joints tie rod ends etc .
in my case after front end rebuil car is still “squarely”. To the point I can’t drive it. Currently removing the trailing arms and differential for professional rebuild. Not unusual for TA bushings to were out. My car has at least 110k miles, so there is that wear factor which you might not have.
Please keep this up as you work this through. Really interested in how you get it all fixed.
That's why I'm going to let a shop figure it out. Too much for me to try and do it. Trailing arm bushings were the first thing I had replaced. The rear of the car felt like it was weaving back and forth.
Seems MY1976 C3 has only two engine choices; both are 350 GEN 1 sbc. Both are truly "internal" aka Neutral balance. BUT If, Repeat IF engine has been replaced; that engine may Not be internal balance.
Although its OE harmonic balancer aka damper is Neutral balanced, perhaps damper's rubber bonding (between outer inertia ring and inner hub) has deteriorated and failed (that often happens w/age). That could permit inertia ring (which IS balanced via several drilled holes AND whose Asymmetrical-locations are drilled when ring & hub are aligned & bonded together) to move axially about crankshaft centerline. And, by ring moving about, damper's balance becomes intermittent. That could cause shaking at any speed.
IF the front balancer aka damper is at fault (they DO fail w/ age), it should be addressed ASAP. It's relatively cheap & easy to R&R. Lotsa DIYers have done job in a few hours or less. The job requires a special remove-install tool; which many FLAPS will loan for just a returnable deposit.
Perhaps it's not the tires (though that's still my #1 guess).
You also put on new wheels, right? Did you make sure to use hub-centric wheels, or adapters to make them hub centric? Is there a chance that the wheel is not aligned correctly on the hub? The wheel balancer won't notice this issue, it has a cone that centers the wheel.
"Weaving back and forth" in the rear is usually strut rod or trailing arm bushings.
Perhaps it's not the tires (though that's still my #1 guess).
You also put on new wheels, right? Did you make sure to use hub-centric wheels, or adapters to make them hub centric? Is there a chance that the wheel is not aligned correctly on the hub? The wheel balancer won't notice this issue, it has a cone that centers the wheel.
"Weaving back and forth" in the rear is usually strut rod or trailing arm bushings.
I'm with you. I still have a feeling it's the tires / rims. I remember when putting the wheels on, looking at the hole in the wheels and the hub diameter they were not perfectly centered, but very close. Which could be a problem. I believe I'll get the Centric Rings then that should for sure let me know if it tires or not.
I already had the trailing arm bushings replaced. No more weaving!!!
Thanks.