Well, that being said ,it is your opinion and i won't fault you for that, but i find it somewhat pointless to blast someones location or state, considering this forum has nothing to do with it, anyways enough said,
because it is veering off topic...

 

 

Just my quick and dirty opinion - i like it.
My posts and the ones i've been participating in stay on the front pages alot longer now. And i personally feel we have less reposts of the same problems in Tech - though many are still to lazy to do/use a archive search. And i would really enjoy a new smilie that says use the search please (or whatever ).

Yes i hope it stays or splits again for body work. cardo0

 

EXCELLENT SUGGESTION!!!

Dep

 

Well, could part of the problem be "growth pains"? I think this is a dynamite site . There's some good feedback here to think about. Relatively basic, "in the book" questions are boring or thoughtless (?). Perhaps more subheadings such as Engine or Suspension or Transmission or Shop Tools ....maybe that would help prevent wading through the blessed information to get to what ails you specifically.
Sub headings selected depending on ? subject interest determined by examining past threads, data base.
My thoughts are geared primarily to the "Technical Forum"...I don't often look at General. Thanks, jim

 

The problem with creating more sub-headings is you need more mods to patrol them and you get even more posts in wrong locations. The more complex you make things, the more confusing it gets.


C3 Tech/Performance
Internal Engine | External Engine | Tech Topics Only | Performance Results

That's the current description of the tech section. Note that the ENGINE gets major emphasis (as it should). There are other forums that go into much more detail about fiberglass body work, use of shop tools, etc.

Dep

 

I don't think he meant sub-forums.
What I gathered was suggesting some way of categorizing posts by voluntarily
classifying the post as one of several catagories at the time of creation.
The trouble I see here is that the CF database would probably not
be ready to implement this ... and create more work for Troy.

Many times, a clear title to the post would help to sift through.
Titles that hurt ... something like: "I bet no-one has installed one of these"
Or "Performance definitely changed"
Or "Why does my vette do this"



Hey DEP, doesn't the third choice here pretty much sum it up ?

C3 Tech/Performance
Internal Engine | External Engine | Tech Topics Only | Performance Results

What about Internal Transmission ?
I don't see why the emphasis on engine. They are pretty much the
same V8 engines that went in all Chevys. Plus, they are so common
and understood, there should be WAY more pertinent questions about trannys.

 

Voluntarily classifying/sorting posts is what we have now. And people don't seem to want to make the effort to do it. We had that suggestion back when we had just a General C3 section and it didn't work there either. Perhaps we need a newbie section for idiot questions like "how do I install brakes?" or "how do I set my points?". I am seeing more and more of these questions popping up. One would think that people would LEARN how to do this stuff BEFORE buying a car that had these items installed on them. Or at the very least buy a manual that describes how to do the basics.

The C3 is a pretty much fix-it-yourself car, except for a few items.
It's not necessarily "low maintenance", but it's DO-ABLE maintenance for the most part.
I get a strong feeling that many of these numbskull posts are made just to see how many people will respond to the question, rather than an actual quest for knowledge.

Internal Transmission...no way. The vast majority of people DON'T work on their own trans. Heck, they can't even adjust the dwell, so you sure can't expect them to tear down a stick or auto.

I see the emphasis on engine because many people are making a lot of changes for more power. It's something people CAN do. And a LOT of these changes DON'T seem to be working too well. Count the number of crate engine install posts with "disappointmenting results" just this year. There are a bunch of them. And that's about as "brainless" an upgrade as you can do. You know my feelings about making the smallblock go...K.I.S.S. Unfortunately, too many people get sold on engines and mods that are way more complex than they need. Especially for a car that's used to drop off kids at school or go to church on Sunday.

Dep

 

OK...it's split, but I'll get over it. Years ago I suggested that IF it gets to the point where it has to be split, then:

Summary: Sort by issues and not parts...example is drag coefficient of raw clear coat vs. Zaino or bees wax belongs in tech/perf while which looks better belongs in general. Implement features to support the split...give the members some tools to select the forum that their thread is going into and a one-time only move authorization.

1. Don't force a topic into a forum simply based on the part...general/tech can involve any part. A very very extremely excellent example is wheels & tires. Tires are the most important part of a performance vehicle...without good traction you aren't going anywhere. If I were to film a movie spoofing auto sports I'd take a formula 1 racer and put some street tires on it...not only would the noise drive you nuts, but the car will be all over the road and only going like 1/2 as fast as everyone else. There's also the typical "How do my wheels look?" kind of thread which belongs in general.

2. I'm a computer programmer, but don't know anything about the software being used for the forum...is it still a zeroforum product? Anyway, instead of allowing someone to just click on a New Thread link and post in the forum that was open at that time...heck...they could even be in a totally different forum like the C6 forum when they thought of the new thread to be posted in the C3 forum. The solution is to implement a combo box which requires the member to select the forum into which it belongs. That way members will have to think about where their thread belongs before they submit it. I think it would save the moderators like an hour per week if this was implemented. Yes...it puts more work on the members, but it may also help the members to focus on their content...they may even remember something that was in the back of their mind and just needed a nudge to think a bit more on their post.

3. Allow members to do a once only move from the forum that they posted in...into another forum. Most members post, then see where it's at and then ask moderators to move it for them.

And...doesn't this thread belong in general?

 

For the life of me I can't understand why people INSIST on shoving non-tech stuff into the tech forum, when there are ALREADY other sections that deal with the topics BETTER....

"example is drag coefficient of raw clear coat vs. Zaino or bees wax belongs in tech/perf"



It belongs in...
Car Care Products
Sponsored by Autogeek
Wax | Polish | Detailing

Tire questions belong in...

Wheels & Tires
Sponsored by The Tire Rack
Wheels | Tires

Tech COULD apply to any part, IF you didn't have other sections where the tech question would be more appropriate. Since there ARE already numerous sections that apply to these "tech" questions, that's where they belong. If you want to know what tires get the best traction FOR DRAG RACING, then ASK IN THE DRAG RACING section!!!! Ditto for tires for Road Racing and Autocross...ask in the Autocrossing & Roadracing section. I swear people never venture out of the C3 forum and have no idea there are OTHER sections where they could get better answers to their questions.

The simple fact, and I see it more and more every day, is the vast majority of non-tech posts in the tech section are coming from newbies.
What do I mean by newbies?...from what I've seen, people with three stars or less next to their name. Look at the threads that have been moved recently. The vast majority of them fit in that catagory.
More and more I am agreeing with turtlevette as far as restricting newbies to post in sections OTHER THAN tech until they learn the rules. Right now, it seems like they just post anywhere they think they might get a response.

Part of the answer to the non-tech questions in tech section is for people to LOOK at the other sections first to see if there is a section that could answer their question more effectively. Making the C3 Tech/General section more complex is NOT the answer. And NO WAY they are gonna give members the ability to move their threads. That's just asking for chaos.

And this thread is not in General because Dave is trying to help us out with this current mess. BTW....thanks Dave!!!

Dep

 

S&F they went through this same thing. The problem I see it is first you only have 2 choices and 2nd the names are wrong.
Its already been covered but this description is in the main forum and I doubt many people are linked to that, I'm hot linked to the tech one
just to start.
At least add a lounge, this is where the bull**** can go. Picture posting whatever, the stuff that isn't general but still interesting.
There are more and if you want to see the heavy subforumed method
S&F

It isn't as bad as it might seem. If your not interested or don't know you wouldn't see it. Some of them really aren't needed, just doubling of existing ones. If you want to know something it already is broken down where it would be.

They also have a button that shows all the new posts, you don't have to go through any multiple forums since all the posts show no matter where they were posted.

Right now as I see it you have 9 different forums. Only 2 are being used. Some of those could be lumped together instead of c1-c3 parts and c-3 parts put them together or eliminate c1 & c2, they do have their own forum?


If its made clear what each forum is for then most people will post there. If the topic of 'general' is relegated to technical items and general items they won't. At least put a 3rd up- split the tech and keep the general. 2 forums for tech, split like you have it in general and a general.

 

Sure...split it up into 10 different variants under the C3 forum.
HOWEVER, I don't see any "Supporting Member" stars under any of the people who are suggesting this change. Anyone gonna put their money where their mouth is and PAY to give input on what happens in the Corvette Forum?
Get some gold stars under your names and then maybe the folks in power will listen

Dep

 

 

I wish I were an Oscar Mayer Weiner

 

Edited because I made some dumb comments

 

 

OUCH!!!

painstakingly rebuilding a rustbucket from the ground up has got to be worth at least $250,000 in time and material.

Its a chromy though, should be able to get 25k for it.

 

IMO the split has been a failure. I don't see the point in it since nearly everyone posts in both sections anyway. Probation periods for newbies? Some of you guys take this stuff way to seriously.

 

You're right turtle...that was a bit harsh. I apologize Dave. But the excuses for not posting correctly seem to be getting awful thin.

Dep

 

The reason for the split wasn't to stop people from posting in either area. The reason for the split was to concentrate all the tech questions in ONE area so that they might get the attention they deserve, instead of getting buried under "What should I name my new C3?" threads. I think it has been a complete succes as far as that is concerned. The only real kink in the tech area has been defining EXACTLY what tech questions belong there.

Dep