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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 01:57 AM
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Have you ever driven a TPI 305 IROC or TransAm? I had an 89 305 5-speed IROC and while it won't run with a Corvette it ran circles around a 5-sp Mustang GT and I have timeslips to prove it somewhere. Supposedly TPI was built around a 305, and they will really surprise you. While I would never build one for myself (cost more to build than a 350), if I had a decent running one I would not necessarily dump it just to have a 350. Hope some of that makes sense.
yes I have, while impressive for the craptacular 80s pony car, it still didnt compare to the L98. The 305 in question was about as powerful as a blue flame 6. It really was a disgrace to the Chevy V8 family.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by holley505
If you got the extra money....

buy a 350 short block (less than a 1000.00).... keep your 305 heads (but work the heads and put in the 1.94 valves about $300.00...Or hell buy vortecs about $500.00 ) get a nice 266 or 270 hyd comp cam about $130.00.

Get a new intake 120.00... if you buy vortec heads ... get vortec manifold $150.00... I am not a huge fan of headers... buy they are cheap 120.00 and a new carb will set you back about 300.00

some chrome goodies... and some labor.

You will have a sweet motor that should get you strong 13s 1/4 mile


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What year vortech heads are the best to put on a 77 350 l-48 engine? Will the stock exhaust manifolds bolt up to the vortech heads? I understand that the intake manifold is different.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 09:50 AM
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I guess I want a clarification to the original question. How much power do you want? Does the 305 run OK, or does it need rebuilt? How much money do you want to spend? How original is the car? How important is originality to you? Are you interested in fuel injection or do you want to stay with a carburetor? Are you going to do it yourself, or pay somebody else?

I think if these things were known, we would have a better idea where to steer you. My point with staying with the 305 was that if the bottom end was OK you could fuel inject it and it would jump up a level in performance. Then you could save up and build a 350 and you would already have the fuel injection stuff done, just change injectors and PROM and you would be at yet another level of performance. You may want 400 HP now, I don't know.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by wnmech
What year vortech heads are the best to put on a 77 350 l-48 engine? Will the stock exhaust manifolds bolt up to the vortech heads? I understand that the intake manifold is different.

Buy a new set at GM the are cheap ... but you will need a matching intake manifold. The manifolds cost a little bit more the HP is worth it on a budget.

Otherwise you can find a decent set of 305 heads before 1987... the best are early 86 to 84 Z28 HO heads. They have 1.94 valves and 58cc chambers. Mild port job and put them on your stock 350! This will give you a nice bump in compression and HP. (you can still use a standard manifold.)

Chevy vortec heads started in 95 or 96 to 99, but they are center bolt. (so you need the different manifold) Found on 350 trucks. Factory Hp jumped from 210 to 255 during those years mostly from the heads.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by holley505
Buy a new set at GM the are cheap ... but you will need a matching intake manifold. The manifolds cost a little bit more the HP is worth it on a budget.

Otherwise you can find a decent set of 305 heads before 1987... the best are early 86 to 84 Z28 HO heads. They have 1.94 valves and 58cc chambers. Mild port job and put them on your stock 350! This will give you a nice bump in compression and HP. (you can still use a standard manifold.)

Chevy vortec heads started in 95 or 96 to 99, but they are center bolt. (so you need the different manifold) Found on 350 trucks. Factory Hp jumped from 210 to 255 during those years mostly from the heads.
IIRC Vortec heads started in 1992 with the LT1.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 03:51 PM
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True... but that head (LT1) will not fit a GEN I SBC without heavy mods.
LT1 head is the Gen II sbc. Your Truck head will bolt directly to the GEN I...just the intake will not fit... centerbolt heads.


Some casting of 305 heads (58 cc and 1.94 valves)... IROC and Z28 HO are good heads for a Smog 350. It will raise the compression to about 10.5 from the 8.8 or 9.0 to 1 smog engines. Mild porting will help it flow... stick the adv 266 or adv 270 hyd camshaft in it... you have a go street smog motor... Just need to run 93 in it.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 06:20 PM
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Ah, they were still using the Gen I block on trucks in the mid 90's? I thought they were all on Gen II blocks by then.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 09:50 PM
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I've had two Chevy 305s (one in an '85 Trans Am and one in a '78 Firebird I currently own that is being replaced with a Pontiac 455). I found it is more prone to detonation than the 350, they don't like to rev, and are generally gutless. You should buy a boat, use the 305 as an anchor, and then drop in a nice 350.
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rcread
I've had two Chevy 305s (one in an '85 Trans Am and one in a '78 Firebird I currently own that is being replaced with a Pontiac 455). I found it is more prone to detonation than the 350, they don't like to rev, and are generally gutless. You should buy a boat, use the 305 as an anchor, and then drop in a nice 350.
Or use the 305 as a boat motor. Works great for those.
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 12:28 PM
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I would like to stay as original as possible, but as for the 350 my friend is wanting to build it for me and pretty much for free, that is including giving me the engine and installing it. The car is totally original and the 305 has 119,000 miles on it and runs ok, with all that I have read so far it looks like I will go with the 350 and donate the 305 to my friend as a Boat Anchor. Thanks for all the advice so far reading all the different suggestions helps a great deal.

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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Kalway
Ah, they were still using the Gen I block on trucks in the mid 90's? I thought they were all on Gen II blocks by then.
Don't get GEN II and Vortec motors confused...

Vortec motors are GEN I short block engines with new style heads (vortec) and slightly different intake manifold with TBI

A GEN II engine is a reversed cooled, opti spark, fuel injected, small block. LT1


Lots of C3ers do a vortec set up on the stock smog engines. vortec heads intake and decent hyd cam... to make cheap power.

Doing a GEN II swap would be a LT1 motor from 92-96 vette or 93-97 F-body or B-body in the 90's
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 07:34 PM
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Ah, that all makes it a bit clearer now. Now what I'm curious about is what was the point of the reverse cooling?
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 07:59 PM
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Agreed the 305 is definately boat anchor material. Build the 350 Corvettes were made to run. !!! That's my 2-cents
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dasbrew
I would like to stay as original as possible, but as for the 350 my friend is wanting to build it for me and pretty much for free, that is including giving me the engine and installing it. The car is totally original and the 305 has 119,000 miles on it and runs ok, with all that I have read so far it looks like I will go with the 350 and donate the 305 to my friend as a Boat Anchor. Thanks for all the advice so far reading all the different suggestions helps a great deal.
Wait your buddy is building you a 350 and is willing to put it into you vette for beer and you had to ask us if that's the right thing to do?
What's wrong with this picture.
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 09:26 PM
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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 09:50 AM
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I originally posted the question because I did not know if I would be making a mistake by taking out the original engine and replacing it. ( For Future resale value) If I would ever plan to sell it. And since I am new to corvettes I just wanted to check with people who know the most.
Thanks for all the advice.
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Originally Posted by dasbrew
I originally posted the question because I did not know if I would be making a mistake by taking out the original engine and replacing it. ( For Future resale value) If I would ever plan to sell it. And since I am new to corvettes I just wanted to check with people who know the most.
Thanks for all the advice.
Look do what 99% of all late year C3 owners do. Take out the low hp motor put it in the deepest part of the garage and put in a high hp 350 motor. You will be happy and have piece of mind that someday 40 years from now some young kid who has been born yet will buy your vette as a collector item and pay you $100,000 because you kept the 305 all these years. Then you will wake up.
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Originally Posted by dasbrew
I originally posted the question because I did not know if I would be making a mistake by taking out the original engine and replacing it. ( For Future resale value) If I would ever plan to sell it. And since I am new to corvettes I just wanted to check with people who know the most.
Thanks for all the advice.
MANY LOW Hp vettes are modded... The emission years are not valued by collectors (except 25th and silver cars, low power big blocks, maybe a L82 4 speed)... you could actually increase the valve with a tastful and proper engine upgrade to a smog year vette... (say Late model engie swap or ZZ4 crate motor)

Because NOW you have vette looks with vette performance!

You could get more for 76 L48 with a T56 and LT4 engine... than a bone stock L48 with a th400. Both clean both with working accessories.

Unfortuately a 305 vette will only carry as much value as a guy off the street is willing to pay for the lowest output v8 produced... which Kalway just paid.

just my .02
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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Kalway
Ah, that all makes it a bit clearer now. Now what I'm curious about is what was the point of the reverse cooling?

The coolant was run throught the heads...first... then down into the block to offset detenation from the High compression LT1 and LT4 engines made in 92-97 (GEN II motos)

bad thing about this design is ...if the water pump leaked it could kill your ignition system (ie.. opti spark)
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I think a 305 Corvette would be a neat project. I have owned several 305's. They were all very reliable torque motors. You can go here for some ideas.

http://www.hioutput.com/tech.html

Remember, all the nice equipment you slap on that "worthless" 305 will also fit on the 350 short block you replace it with. In a few years.

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