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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 10:30 AM
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That's what I did. I had a spare 3.08 rear collecting dust, so I yanked the 4.11 pumpkin out and popped in the 3:08. Then slid that bad boy in there. I cut the cross-member anyways just to make things easier down the road.
That's exactly what I did. Pulled the 4.11's and dropped in the stock 308's. Combined with the .68 overdrive it makes for a fantastic cruising gear. About 2.2 on the road.
With enough motor you can pull anything.
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 10:57 AM
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Keisler TKO 500 just installed in my 73 with 3:08 rear.

Does the 5 speed with 3.08's work as well as with the lower rear gears?

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I have 3.08 gears what trany works better with those for street driving and highway no racing?

so it posible to get info on this thread or should I go to anouther? I do not argue well. Not worth it.

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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 11:45 AM
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I don't know why there's a verbal battle between a member and a Supporting Vendor...the vendor has R&D costs in development of the product. Mfg costs, overhead, and return on investment..seems to me the American way is to price a product, affordable to the masses and still show a decent Return On Investment.

That said, it's not for any one of us to judge the vendor's pricing policy.

So....if all are in agreement, the pissing will cease.
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by cal camara
Does the 5 speed with 3.08's work as well as with the lower rear gears?

cal

I have 3.08 gears what trany works better with those for street driving and highway no racing?

so it posible to get info on this thread or should I go to anouther? I do not argue well. Not worth it.
You have two choices, Keisler or Richmond 5 speeds. Keilser will give you a higher 5th gear than Richmond, thus lowering your highway cruising speeds..Prolly you will be tacking around 1600-1800 in 5th with Keisler
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 05:57 PM
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Nope - I never said anything about length. It's the height of the tailhousing that makes the difference. Our shifter tower is removable, so the tailhousing fits over the crossmember and the shifter tower installs from inside the car after the tranny is in.
What a load of crap! The Classic Chevy shifter is removable as well and CAN be installed without removing the engine.
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 07:37 PM
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Smoke, mirrors, and no sevice after the sales.

“Without promotion something terrible happens... Nothing!”

“There's a sucker born every minute”

“Every crowd has a silver lining.”

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There are plenty of alternatives out there if you look. Contrary to the hype Keisler is not the only game in town. I bought into there "direct fit" hype myself, only to wind up, changing or modify everything but the shifter.


No Dave. They were not answered in a timely manner. I was saying that I tried to your e-mails in a timely manner when you were asking questions and ordering parts, but I have no control over returns or refunds.

Why can't you fix this communication problem after 3 years. How hard can it possibly be to make your fellow employees follow-up with your customers ? Get a call, return it......Get an email, return it.......can't keep up with customer demand, hire more people or hire people that can handle it. Its really a simple concept. You've been promising improvement for years and yet the complaints keep coming.

It's absolutely ridiculous that the only opportunity for remediation of issues for some of your customers is this website. 90% of the bitching on here is directly related to service after the sale or rather the the lack there of. If you don't want to be here putting out fires and embarrassing yourself by apologizing constantly, fix the feckin problem.

Your name call-outs using peoples real names are one of the more unprofessional things I've ever seen. This isn't the first time you've done it either.
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by GDaina
You have two choices, Keisler or Richmond 5 speeds. Keilser will give you a higher 5th gear than Richmond, thus lowering your highway cruising speeds..Prolly you will be tacking around 1600-1800 in 5th with Keisler

TKO's are better highway cruisers due to their true overdrive. Richmonds have closer gear ratios that results in less RPM drop during shifts, which can be beneficial to some small block engines that can benefit from mantaining higher engine speeds during performance driving.

In the end, its really up to personal preference, what the car is being used for, and how much you want to spend. Both the TKO and the Richmond are great transmission (in my opinion). I've seen both ran successfully in mild to wild street machines. Either is a good option over the factory 3 or 4 speeds.

It just amazes me sometimes, the pi**ing matches that we get into on this forum. Threads seam to be much more informative, when they keep to a strictly technical debate and not over $$$, service, etc.

Does anybody else have something useful to add to this thread? Are there any other options that haven't been mentioned?
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 07:58 AM
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It just amazes me sometimes, the pi**ing matches that we get into on this forum. Threads seam to be much more informative, when they keep to a strictly technical debate and not over $$$, service, etc.

Does anybody else have something useful to add to this thread? Are there any other options that haven't been mentioned?
I came here for technical info --- YAWN !!!! I am thinking about a richmond 5-speed about $1800 from Jegs and a ring & pinion swap (my posi is freshly rebuilt) +/- $270, Hurst - Richmond 5-speed shifter +/- $300 = +/- $2400 + my labor. What do you guys think of 2.73's with my 383 ?? Would this be better then 3.08's or is there a common ratio in between ??
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 08:11 AM
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I should send my resume to Keisler, straighten out the Service and Public Relations Departments.....

Seriously, Duntov 97 has a point, there have been a number of posts regarding follow up service.

I hope Robert doesn't take the comments in this thread that Keisler is being slammed, but rather members voicing their concerns that the good ship Keisler is not sailing on straight coarse but headed for a rocky shoal..
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmygmartin
I came here for technical info --- YAWN !!!! I am thinking about a richmond 5-speed about $1800 from Jegs and a ring & pinion swap (my posi is freshly rebuilt) +/- $270, Hurst - Richmond 5-speed shifter +/- $300 = +/- $2400 + my labor. What do you guys think of 2.73's with my 383 ?? Would this be better then 3.08's or is there a common ratio in between ??
That translates to a first gear equivalent of 3.70 rear gears with a Muncie close ratio. With a 383 I would think you'll love it.
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 10:15 PM
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What do you guys think of 2.73's with my 383 ?? Would this be better then 3.08's or is there a common ratio in between ??
I think it would be a great compromise. Actually, if I ever have to rebuild my rear end, this is what I'll probably do. The 3.08 in the Richmond is almost too low for street tires (would be great with slicks if the rear didn't blow up).
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by GDaina
I hope Robert doesn't take the comments in this thread that Keisler is being slammed, but rather members voicing their concerns that the good ship Keisler is not sailing on straight coarse but headed for a rocky shoal..
Well said... If a company cannot accept scrutiny to some degree, they will fail...sooner or later...period!
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 11:35 PM
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Old Mar 12, 2006 | 12:17 AM
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Old Mar 12, 2006 | 09:18 AM
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If you are going to criticize, do it constructively. Bashing is not the way
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Old Mar 12, 2006 | 10:53 AM
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OK...

BTW, Google ads is breaking forum rules here. Look in the bottom right hand corner, they're posting website links to non-supporting vendors here.
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Old Mar 12, 2006 | 02:16 PM
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Even through all of the BS on this thread many good points have been brought up. The biggest point is now there are options as far as vendors go. Do the research on these vendors and I am sure one classy vendor will shine above the rest.

But no matter what you do just smile and have fun. Life is Short
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Your warranty states, "This warranty is void if the product is or was improperly installed, abused in any manner, or used for racing or experimental purposes. Road or accident damage is not covered."

So, the warranty is essentially worthless, to anybody with a high-performance engine... Because if the engine actually generates enough HP to break the trans, then clearly, the trans was already being "abused." Of course, if the car didn't generate North of 600 HP already, I wouldn't NEED to get the TKO-600... NICE.
Just so everyone is aware, to my knowledge Keisler Engineering has never turned down a warranty claim on a broken transmission based on use, abuse or power rating. The truth is, the TKO is so durable that we rarely see breakage. When we do, we are happy to help out.

Now, before anyone jumps in and says they were not taken care of, I am freely admitting that this information comes only to my knowledge. If there have been any occasions when this was not the case please call me at 865.609.8187 ext 206 and I will be glad to try to help.

To Breathial:

Cool car! How much power does it make? Although pristine NCRS cars are nice to look at, I am more inclined to like a fire breathing dragons like the one in the photo. And I agree that correct shift position would be wasted on your car, but obviously that is not the norm. Most Corvette owners are very, very concerned with the shift position. Do you follow Rick Moroso's projects? He is building a pretty hot Shark right now with about 1000hp. Sweet. Gray.

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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 01:26 PM
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 02:14 PM
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2) I can run 3.08 rear end gears for the street which enables me to achieve 20 mpg using a carburetor, while allowing me to run 12.8's @ 108 mph in the 1/4 mile on my normal street tires. Just pull it on the strip and go . My engine combination actually likes the closer gear ratio changes in the Richmond.

It may not be quite as good as an overdrive, but its a LOT better than a stock 4 speed using low rear end gears to get into the 12's.


But I do remember one thing with my Richmond 5 spd. When I opened the box, there was a single sheet attached to the instructions that said, in large font type, something like "This transmission will fit in a Corvette." When you read something like that, you just know it's going to be a tight fit. Not wrong there. It's really tight.
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