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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bangkok Dean
BTW do they still hold the frog follies in Evansville, was there in 79.
Always on the hottest and/or wettest weekend of the year.
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Panzermensch
I've never heard of drop spindles messing up suspension geometry.
I haven't done it myself yet, but I have been told by numerous sources in the VW hobby that using drop spindles, a lowered beam, or both will require castor shims to bring the car back into correct geometry and eliminate a dangerous "dive steer", where the car will apparently change direction quickly and with considerable force under braking.
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 09:28 AM
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i'm not a big fan of cutting coils, torch or saw. shouldn't this be in C3 tech?????
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary79
shouldn't this be in C3 tech?????
Thus my original question about the thread location.


As for torch vs. saw, a saw or cutoff wheel is preferred, but a torch is much more sporting.

You can always just shorten the springs you have now, if you have the proper equipment. Bake the springs at 400-500 degrees, then place the hot spring into a compression fixture and apply a load to compress the spring beyond the normal in-vehicle compression. It'll create a shorter spring with little change in the rate.
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ddecart
Thus my original question about the thread location.


As for torch vs. saw, a saw or cutoff wheel is preferred, but a torch is much more sporting.

You can always just shorten the springs you have now, if you have the proper equipment. Bake the springs at 400-500 degrees, then place the hot spring into a compression fixture and apply a load to compress the spring beyond the normal in-vehicle compression. It'll create a shorter spring with little change in the rate.

Thanks all. Should have posted in C3 tech. Appreciate the answers though.
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 08:25 PM
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And off to C3 tech it goes....
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 08:53 PM
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So, did you ask the Midas genius where he'd recommend you purchase these C3 dropped spindles? I'd love to hear his answer.
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 09:26 PM
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Hey Me2, whats a "coilovers"????? Thanks.....anybody else know what this is???
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 10:30 PM
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 11:03 PM
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Yes the frog folllies are this weekend in evansville.
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bangkok Dean
Getting close with GM hoping for next month BTW do they still hold the frog follies in Evansville, was there in 79.
I haven't bought mine yet in anticipation of your shields coming stateside! Save me a pair!! Goose
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
So, did you ask the Midas genius where he'd recommend you purchase these C3 dropped spindles? I'd love to hear his answer.

He told me that there was a place in Edmonton that sold them. If that didn't work call the local lowriders club the "Dropsicles". These spindles are probably pretty $$$
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by vttedrm
He told me that there was a place in Edmonton that sold them. If that didn't work call the local lowriders club the "Dropsicles". These spindles are probably pretty $$$

If you find them, please post, they are the C3 Holy Grail.

Cutting the coils still the cheapest route.
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by don1982c
Yes the frog follies are this weekend in Evansville.
It has been many years ago that I was their with the Cincy street rod club. Lots of fun back then, sail cats if I remember correctly. If you can post a few pictures in General of OT it would be nice.
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
So, did you ask the Midas genius where he'd recommend you purchase these C3 dropped spindles? I'd love to hear his answer.
Me too. Especially since there aren't any available.
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 09:17 AM
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For what its worth. Dick Guldstrand sells extra long springs to be cut by the consumer for desired ride height.

From his website:

"Coils are supplied long so the customer may tailor ride height."

Cutting the coils is the proper way to lower the front.
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 10:09 AM
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Cutting the springs is the easiest and cheapest way by far. Drop spindals is the $$ way but its more effective and does not affect geometry. Shorter springs has the effect of preloading the suspension, so you lose some travel, maybe not enough to worry about, but maybe so.
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 10:49 AM
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A procedure for lowering a BMW by cutting the springs is:

1) Cutting 1 coil will lower it about 1 1/2".

2) Use a hacksaw.

3) Heat the spring with a torch about one half coil from where you cut it. When it is hot tap it against a concrete floor, this is to eliminate the pigtail and allow it to sit correctly in the perch.

I did this and it seemed to work great. The suspension was stiffer than before, somewhat like a sport suspension would be.

Don't know how this procedure would work on a Vette.
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 02:14 PM
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I got my springs cut on my car...

No problems gives me a COOL stance.


( I had to do it after I lost almost 200lbs of weight on the front end )
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