Lets talk about power shifting.
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From: East China MI
Originally Posted by norvalwilhelm
I don't think abusing someone elses car while they let you drive it is the right thing to do.
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From: Taylor Michigan
Originally Posted by MotorHead
I agree, and I might add, alot more fun in someone else's car 
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From: Big Pine Key FL
Originally Posted by Ironcross
Not exactly in the someone elses car. Thats where the problems start. I was always approached to drive someone elses hot car or hot boat at the races. It seemed that unless a car or boat was proven some drivers/owners would get scared with a supercharger staring them in the face. I did what they couldn`t do and that was press on the gas. I did break a few of them and the parts were not cheap. If there was a weak link it would immediately show up. I felt bad when that happened, to walk away from a broken piece and go back to serious racing in mine. I finally gave up on those requests when a close friend doing a favor for another owner got killed in a blown flatbottom. You never know how safe someone elses piece actually can be. A good reason why they may have been afraid of it.
Good advice.
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From: East China MI
Originally Posted by Ironcross
Not exactly in the someone elses car. Thats where the problems start. I was always approached to drive someone elses hot car or hot boat at the races. It seemed that unless a car or boat was proven some drivers/owners would get scared with a supercharger staring them in the face. I did what they couldn`t do and that was press on the gas. I did break a few of them and the parts were not cheap. If there was a weak link it would immediately show up. I felt bad when that happened, to walk away from a broken piece and go back to serious racing in mine. I finally gave up on those requests when a close friend doing a favor for another owner got killed in a blown flatbottom. You never know how safe someone elses piece actually can be. A good reason why they may have been afraid of it.
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From: Who says "Nothing is impossible" ? I've been doing nothing for years.
Originally Posted by 7t2vette
Powersshifting: full throttle, shift at redline as fast as you can without lifting off the gas! Awesome experience, unless you are a girly man afraid of breaking your car!
Put a $10,000 imotor n yours and back it up with a brand new $4,500 tranny, all in Canadian funds, and I'll sit in the passenger seat and watch you drive over your driveshaft and few other misc. parts
This
means I am kidding, I used to power shift my '70 Cuda all the time, it seemed to be able to handle it, and on that note, I would never do it in someone else's car 
Last edited by MotorHead; Nov 12, 2006 at 01:37 PM.
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Originally Posted by 84rzv500r
Are you guys do in anything special to the engagement dogs?
On the bikes we undercut 7* the engagement dogs for positive gear engagement (up and down)
On the bikes we undercut 7* the engagement dogs for positive gear engagement (up and down)
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Originally Posted by MotorHead
Pretty easy to do in an automatic.
Put a $10,000 imotor n yours and back it up with a brand new $4,500 tranny, all in Canadian funds, and I'll sit in the passenger seat and watch you drive over your driveshaft and few other misc. parts
This means I am kidding, I used to power shift my '70 Cuda all the time, it seemed to be able to handle it, and on that note, I would never do it in someone else's car
Put a $10,000 imotor n yours and back it up with a brand new $4,500 tranny, all in Canadian funds, and I'll sit in the passenger seat and watch you drive over your driveshaft and few other misc. parts
This
means I am kidding, I used to power shift my '70 Cuda all the time, it seemed to be able to handle it, and on that note, I would never do it in someone else's car 
To each his own, I guess.
Last edited by 7t2vette; Nov 12, 2006 at 02:03 PM.
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From: Sorrento Italy
Originally Posted by oregonsharkman
Ok; I have heard 2 versions.
1) full throttle, shift at redline, blip the clutch/throttle and shift.
2) full throttle, shift at redline, NO clutch, just SLAM into next gear with full throttle still on!
#2 sounds like death to tranny (if it even works, I have never tried it myself)
1) full throttle, shift at redline, blip the clutch/throttle and shift.
2) full throttle, shift at redline, NO clutch, just SLAM into next gear with full throttle still on!
#2 sounds like death to tranny (if it even works, I have never tried it myself)
power makes the difference, i've always had to do what you describe in no 2 shifting when i had less power then my (track) enemies, when i had enough (which means 'more') they had to do it and i've always won shifting 'comfortably'
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Originally Posted by BigBlockk
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From: Toronto Ontario
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Originally Posted by MotorHead
I'll be there watching
Real men power shift; girly men don't!
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Originally Posted by GrandSportC3
Here's another option..
http://www.lencoracing.com/ST1200MasterPage.html
of if you want to go completely crazy...
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of if you want to go completely crazy...
http://www.lencoracing.com/CS1MasterPage.html
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Originally Posted by 63mako
Wind it up to redline. With right foot on floor bang the clutch to the floor as you shift to the next gear and the clutch foot slides off the clutch to the left just as it hits the floor. The shift is almost instantanious. Your talking hundreths of a second. Yes I have torn out many muncie's in my day but also have won many races against much stronger cars. No guts, No glory! Don't miss the gear!
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From: mesa,az
Are you saying you can disengege your tranny under WFO without the clutch. I routinly blip the throttle on my bikes for clutchless shifts but havent been able to pull my TKO out of gear without using the clutch. Maybe i am just not yanking hard enough although I don't think I will be trying without cutting the gas.
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From: At my Bar drinking and wrenching in Lafayette Colorado
Originally Posted by norvalwilhelm
I don't think abusing someone elses car while they let you drive it is the right thing to do.
I know a few guys that can really power shift well but they do blow a tranny yearly.
I know a few guys that can really power shift well but they do blow a tranny yearly.
I don't see the fear of this power shifting or what the mystery is. I've been racing 4-speed cars on the track and street for 30 years. No rev limiters, no special trannys. I power shift my own cars at redline, and I run slicks at the track. I have never once blown an engine, tranny or rear end from power shifting with no throttle lift. I have, however, replaced the synchros in my M22 after 3 seasons of racing, and I go through a clutch every other season. Power shifting is no big deal, and it doesn't break cars... that's nonsense. But use the clutch...
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From: New Cumberland PA
There is no real need to powershift around town. Racing is different and it will help. Best thing is to pratice at rpms lower than redline.
Is it harder on the drivetrain? Yes.
Will it break something? Normally not.
Is it scary the first time? Yes.
Does that feeling go away? Yes, for the most part.
Is it harder on the drivetrain? Yes.
Will it break something? Normally not.
Is it scary the first time? Yes.
Does that feeling go away? Yes, for the most part.
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From: Sherwood Park AB
Originally Posted by oregonsharkman
Ok; I have heard 2 versions.
1) full throttle, shift at redline, blip the clutch/throttle and shift.
2) full throttle, shift at redline, NO clutch, just SLAM into next gear with full throttle still on!
#2 sounds like death to tranny (if it even works, I have never tried it myself)
1) full throttle, shift at redline, blip the clutch/throttle and shift.
2) full throttle, shift at redline, NO clutch, just SLAM into next gear with full throttle still on!
#2 sounds like death to tranny (if it even works, I have never tried it myself)
I thought #1 was power shifting, and #2 was just shifting fast.
The shift in #2 takes a split second. I wonder what the difference is if you let off the gas for that split second?
I never tried #1 because it seemed like it would break something.
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Originally Posted by lars
I don't see the fear of this power shifting or what the mystery is. I've been racing 4-speed cars on the track and street for 30 years. No rev limiters, no special trannys. I power shift my own cars at redline, and I run slicks at the track. I have never once blown an engine, tranny or rear end from power shifting with no throttle lift. I have, however, replaced the synchros in my M22 after 3 seasons of racing, and I go through a clutch every other season. Power shifting is no big deal, and it doesn't break cars... that's nonsense. But use the clutch...
100%I don't know why people are afraid of the power shift, it's not that big a deal. I've been doing it for years with no problems with my engines, trannys, or rear diffs. Now I'm not talking every shift being a power shift, but every once in a while isn't going to hurt a street car with radials on it. Funny story: back in '91, I bought a new 5.0 Mustang LX; during the test drive, I drove to an industrial area, told the salesman to hold on, and then did a WOT pass from a roll, power shifting the first three gears! The look on his face was priceless, that car laid rubber almost the entire time!!!
I bought the car, and the next day when I picked it up, I power shifted off the lot too!!! Girly men are afraid of breaking their cars!
Last edited by 7t2vette; Nov 13, 2006 at 04:04 PM.