so if they are so crappy why do people buy them????????????????
power is your pocketbook, don't buy, they fix problem or go way of dinos

 

Good question. I bought the whole setup from one vendor based on good feed back. I trusted that I was buying a quality product. I guess in this case I was too trusting and it cost me. The radiator is of good quality and I am happy with it but I would have hoped the vendor would have stood behind everything. I don't think I or anyone else should have had to buy extra parts to fix an issue that the vendor was\is aware of but I guess that is not the case. The controllers that I and others have purchased are no longer available on the vendors web site. Not sure who is to blame but the customers should not have gotten the short end of the stick. I will say that after I asked about recourse a reply was made that after I purchase the additional wiring harness I could send the controller back and an inquiry would be made as to whether or not I could receive credit. This is not the way I would handle a buisness but I don't run a buisness so I guess I am not in a possition to judge.

 

[QUOTE=BlackRat;1560280396]Good question. I bought the whole setup from one vendor based on good feed back. I trusted that I was buying a quality product. I guess in this case I was too trusting and it cost me. The radiator is of good quality and I am happy with it but I would have hoped the vendor would have stood behind everything. I don't think I or anyone else should have had to buy extra parts to fix an issue that the vendor was\is aware of but I guess that is not the case. The controllers that I and others have purchased are no longer available on the vendors web site. Not sure who is to blame but the customers should not have gotten the short end of the stick. I will say that after I asked about recourse a reply was made that after I purchase the additional wiring harness I could send the controller back and an inquiry would be made as to whether or not I could receive credit. This is not the way I would handle a buisness but I don't run a buisness so I guess I am not in a possition to judge.[/QUOTE
considering that you probably spent around $1000 for the rad/dual spal package I would have thought the vendor would have stood behind it with no hassles and then gone back to Spal to be reimbursed for all the bad controllers. Sorry to hear you had these problems.

 

My Spals had one that came on with IG switch and a 50 amp lighted switch on the other. Now that I have the super water pump OD I have both switched.

Last week driving to and from the track I turned on one. I watch my gauges

 

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I'm glad I'm only using the sensor.

 

I'm thinking about doing this myself. It would cost me a few $$$ but it beats being overheated in traffic someday. I just don't trust it anymore after all this negative feedback about it. I was one of the first with the Spal controller and had trouble with it from the start. I had to get 3 sensors, my cost to get it to work somewhat correct. They did replace 1 controller at no cost but I have not been to happy with it since.

 

Your right, if these controllers turned out to be lemons, then the vendor should take them back and refund your money with no questions asked. Then they would in turn go to the manufacturer for thier reimbursment.

If this was put on a credit card you could always do a chargeback

 

I have read a few comments about electric fans not working properly.It seems as though the only one mentioned is Spal.What about the "Be Cool" brand sold by Ecklers.Any good? Same problems?

 

We do support our customers and we continue to warranty any of these controllers, dispite the fact Spal usually stiffs us with the bill. Anyone that wants to convert to the simple "tried & true" relay harness can do so and it won't cost you a dime. If you send back the controller we will replace it with the relay harness package at no charge. If you want this sent out first, then we will charge for the kit, and credit you when (if) we get the bad controller back. Please do not do a "chargeback" without first trying to resolve the problem with us. Those are a pain in the *** for everyone.

Keep in mind, Spal made these controllers, not me. Their superior reputation on making excellent fans lead me to believe the controllers would work well too. When they didn't, we switched back to the relays.
The main reason we when to the controller in the first place was the fact they were sapposed to be able to tap off the stock gauge sending unit for feedback. This was important to us because almost every person that purchased a fan called and asked where to install the sender because they had no extra hole in the engine. This feature didn't work as advertised and then we started giving away the Spal senders at no charge.

Remember this controller problem has nothing to do with our radiators or the quality of Spals' fans. It's a controller issue only. Spal claims the problem is ten times higher with Corvette customers than any others, don't ask me why. The corvette shops we sell them to still love them and were really bummed out when we said we wouldn't sell them any more. In the end, I always prefered the relay/switch system better any way. This system worked 100% of the time and it offers simplicity if and when trouble shooting was required. The switch was a simple on/off device instead of a variable resistor.

 

Be-cool fans are actually Spals. They never offered the controller and continue to include the relay/switch package with all fan kits. It's the same fans and electrical that we are supplying now.

 

anyone have any experience with this controller:
http://www.centechwire.com/catalog/cooling/fc2p.shtml

 

I have had the dual Spals with the on/off relays since 2001. Never had a problem and they only run when I am in stop and go traffic. Not sure what the need is for the variable controller.

 

I agree with Wally,
I have been thinking about going to electric fans but I've seen a lot of threads on problems associated with them. The only threads I've seen on engine driven fans is how to check if your fan clutch is working. Since I run a flex fan I don't have that problem either. I think I'll cross the electric fans mod is off my sheet.

 

Glad I use the simple relay..The Dewitt radiator and Spal Fan is the best cooling system For my 450hp 383. It works like a charm, Ive learned to see exactly whats going on under the hood with the cooling system with a glance at the dash water guage and alt Meter. Very clean install . It was a great moment when the old shroud went on my "for Sale" List.

 

Thanks for posting Tom. In our email correspondents you did not indicate that this was how you would handle the transaction. I did get the impression that you were saying they were lemons and that I was stuck with it and had to spend additional money for the extra wiring harness. If I misunderstood I apologize and I appreciate you stepping up on this. I received the harness yesterday and removed the controler. I will send it back to you tomorrow.

I also want to reiterate to everyone that my unhappiness is with the controller itself not the radiator. The radiators are good quality products and the fans work great when they actually come on. The issue again is with the controller only. I would definately buy a Dewitt radiator again as well as the SPAL fan setup. But from now on I think I will stick with the sensor.

Wade

 

That is the kind of knee jerk reaction that I was warning about. If you don't want electric fans, that's fine, most people don't really need them. I don't have them on my 80!

But for those people that really want/need them the relays are a great way to go and they are so simple. The switch is a normally open contact, when it hits high temp (195) the contact closes and grounds out, then the fans come on. The beauty of this simplicity is that you can also tie off this switch with a little manual switch inside the car, should you ever want to manually override the system.

HOW ABOUT TROUBLE SHOOTING?

This is the best part. Say the system stops working....Then all you do is manually ground the wire leading to the switch, if the fans come on, then the switch is dead. If they don't, you have a dead relay.

In the fancy controller systems the feedback is an analog device. If something goes wrong you'll have to get out the volt meter and start doing resistance checks. If it's not the sender, then it's likely the controller and time to get a new one regardless of what the problem is.

 

Don't let the negative feedback regarding the SPAL controllers stop you from going electric. You get more control, less drag on the motor, and electric fans just pull more air IMHO. Plus, I hate fan shrouds



Thomas

 

I would not trade my electric fans for anything else. It is a great upgrade as long as the system works like it is supposed to. Again, my problem was associated with the controller itself. When the fans did come on the temp of the motor dropped dramatically and was far more efficient than the clutch driven fans. I tried everything under the sun to figure out why my car kept over heating. The reason why it took so long to zero in on the controller was because sometimes it would come on when it was supposed to and sometimes it would not. If the car raised to a temp over the desired trip point while the car was not running. the fans would never come on when the car was started again because the temp was over the trip point in the controller thus the motor would over heat.

W

 

I used to run a Permacool Single 16" + the Optional temp sensor

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

Worked great on a bolt on engine gonna switch to either a Derale twin fan setup or a Flexalite setup I put both the Sensor and a Switch on a constant 12v switch so it will cool after acar is off and shut itself off after temp drops I am not sure how I made the bottom bracket but I was young knowing me it was out of a piece of sheet metal and was baged into shape with a Hammer, Visegrips, and a Sawzall...

and placed behind stock fan shroud.... I have most of my Parts in boxers I have to look for the Mounts I had made:o
but hey if I did that at age 21 I can do better now I am sure

Sorry if this was off topic