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Old Oct 2, 2007 | 09:32 PM
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Hi all,

Has anyone had a problem installing the rad?

Put mine in and the lower hose outlet touches the anti roll bar.

Had to undo the anti roll bar bracket and space with 3 washers???

Is this safe to do and should this happen??
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Old Oct 2, 2007 | 09:41 PM
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While it is not suggested, or even proven to be safe or NOT safe, spacing it is the way to get clearance for that lower hose. I have seen several cars with washers used to space the bar, all without issues.

That being said, it's a far better and safer idea to have two thick solid flat plates made up to the desired thickness of maybe 1/4" or 3/8" steel plate with holes drilled in them.

Use them to space the bar. The plates will give you much better overall support, and while it's easier to just throw in some washers it will help prevent sway bar failure that might occur due to having washers in place instead of plate spacers.
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Old Oct 2, 2007 | 09:49 PM
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While it is not suggested, or even proven to be safe or NOT safe, spacing it is the way to get clearance for that lower hose. I have seen several cars with washers used to space the bar, all without issues.

That being said, it's a far better and safer idea to have two thick solid flat plates made up to the desired thickness of maybe 1/4" or 3/8" steel plate with holes drilled in them.

Use them to space the bar. The plates will give you much better overall support, and while it's easier to just throw in some washers it will help prevent sway bar failure that might occur due to having washers in place instead of plate spacers.
Thanks DD I was planning on doing that eventually, I just need to get mine out of the shop as my mech has some urgent work to do on an 81.

Just wondered if this was normal, or should I say common

Didnt expect that with this rad.

BTW how do u answer so quick?
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Old Oct 2, 2007 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by lil_red_devil
Just wondered if this was normal, or should I say common

Didnt expect that with this rad.

BTW how do u answer so quick?

Glad I might be able to have helped.

It is a bit off that the bar hits the lower hose, and I know it's tight anyway, but a quick email to Tom might be useful in making sure there isn't a true problem with fitment.

My DeWitts went in perfectly, and maybe there is some reason why yours doesn't fit properly, that isn't within the scope of your particular car. The frame and mounting locations for that bar may have specific tolerance differences from other cars of the same year.

Washers will work for moving the car around and regular street driving but make sure you have the proper plates made before the car sees any hard driving conditions.

I happened to see the new post as I clicked into the section and just posted. I don't try to be first it just happens that way sometimes.
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Sorry meant to post DB not DD (well it is 3am here and i should be asleep )

Anyways i think an email to tom tomorrow might clear things up a bit. Rad support is straight no rot just had it painted, chassis straight, i guess mine doesnt like it the way it is.

bed time now see u all tomorrow
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Old Oct 2, 2007 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by lil_red_devil
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Just wondered if this was normal, or should I say common
Each radiator is set up in a jig, so each tube points in the same direction each time. So it's not common at all. I tried to figure out which model radiator you have but your profile doesn't say what year you have. I will say the 77-82 lower hose is touching the bar on stock radiators, but I don't know if that applies here.
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Do the mount bushings make a difference? Mine set the rad away fronm the support about an inch. Its an 81. Did I see somewhere that the Dewits unit requires different bushings?
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Originally Posted by Durango_boy
While it is not suggested, or even proven to be safe or NOT safe, spacing it is the way to get clearance for that lower hose. I have seen several cars with washers used to space the bar, all without issues.

That being said, it's a far better and safer idea to have two thick solid flat plates made up to the desired thickness of maybe 1/4" or 3/8" steel plate with holes drilled in them.

Use them to space the bar. The plates will give you much better overall support, and while it's easier to just throw in some washers it will help prevent sway bar failure that might occur due to having washers in place instead of plate spacers.
Very glad you clarified this. Someone actually did suggest using washers as spacers just a month or 2 ago in another thread. Not good advice at all. There was good discussion on that thread about spacers vs washers on a sway bar...I'll try to find the thread and link it here
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Originally Posted by Tom DeWitt
Each radiator is set up in a jig, so each tube points in the same direction each time. So it's not common at all. I tried to figure out which model radiator you have but your profile doesn't say what year you have. I will say the 77-82 lower hose is touching the bar on stock radiators, but I don't know if that applies here.
Hi Tom,

I have the A77A rad going on a 79. I bought 2 from you a little while ago and only just got round to fitting mine.

Is this supposed to touch? If so, is any damage likely?
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What IS the condition of the rubber pads under the radiator between the bottom side of the core support and the bottoms of the tanks where they meet? There are rubber pads that support and lift and cradle the bottoms of the tanks. If these are missing or worn flat that could cause a clearance problem.
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Originally Posted by Durango_boy
What IS the condition of the rubber pads under the radiator between the bottom side of the core support and the bottoms of the tanks where they meet? There are rubber pads that support and lift and cradle the bottoms of the tanks. If these are missing or worn flat that could cause a clearance problem.
Brand new top and bottom, shipped with rad. Tom now sends them with new rads.
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Originally Posted by lil_red_devil
Brand new top and bottom, shipped with rad. Tom now sends them with new rads.

Great deal, even more value.

That leaves the spacer adapters to drop the sway bar a bit.

Seems like a good option to me.
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 11:26 AM
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I guess I will have to make up some plate spacers to get around this unless Tom can advise otherwise??

Thanks for your help guys
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Yea, if you have to relocate the sway bar a plate is the way to go. Are the pads Tom ships the same as the stock or is the slot longer for the rad tank?
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Originally Posted by lil_red_devil
I guess I will have to make up some plate spacers to get around this unless Tom can advise otherwise??

Thanks for your help guys
It is normal to be very close or even touch but any variance in the frame, body mount, core support, etc, all working against you and it might very well hit or even interfer with the bar. In that case, I guess the best thing to do is to make the spacers.

Sixfooter, the rubber cushion are the stock rubber mounts for the thicker heavy duty option radiator. We only do this for our A77 model used on 77-82's. The other models fit already.
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Thanks Tom. One more ?? I have been trying to email you for 2 days and it keeps getting returned.
Do you guys do custom Radiators? I want one with the inlet fitting to be a 90* turned pointing across the top of the rad to clean up my install. You guys do that?
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Originally Posted by SIXFOOTER
Thanks Tom. One more ?? I have been trying to email you for 2 days and it keeps getting returned.
Do you guys do custom Radiators? I want one with the inlet fitting to be a 90* turned pointing across the top of the rad to clean up my install. You guys do that?
Absolutely! We make custom stuff (corvette) all the time. In fact, we get so many request for guys doing LS series engines, I am working on a LS series radiator line. We basically use the same DirectFit radiator and customize it with the matching inlet/outlet connection, sometimes we move the locations, and add a steam port connection for the late model engines. All you have to do is call in the order and tell Christyn you want the inlet tube pointing over to the passenger side. We don't change anything extra for that.
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Originally Posted by Tom DeWitt
Absolutely! We make custom stuff (corvette) all the time. In fact, we get so many request for guys doing LS series engines, I am working on a LS series radiator line. We basically use the same DirectFit radiator and customize it with the matching inlet/outlet connection, sometimes we move the locations, and add a steam port connection for the late model engines. All you have to do is call in the order and tell Christyn you want the inlet tube pointing over to the passenger side. We don't change anything extra for that.

That's GREAT news Tom. My next Vette is gonna get an LS and it will need a DeWitts to keep it cool. I'm glad you asked about that Danny.
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Excellent, Thanks Tom. I am running a GenI SBC with 88 vette serp setup and not real happy with the way the upper hose has to run all over, so a nice clean 90* hose would get it cleaned up
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 02:54 PM
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I had to adjust lower pads a bit on my 78 Dewitts install..this pic shows clearance from under vette at sway bar...!/4" clear..



Here is pic after I fit hose...it barely touches sway bar...been in for a year now...



Rich

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