Starter recomendations
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Starter recomendations
To make a long story short, my starter went out last night at Walgreens driveup. Just a little embarassing! What is a good replacement starter for a 69' coupe with 350ci/th400 auto trans?
Ron
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if your not worried about orginal,
I would suggest 1 of the gear reduction starters,
they work better and no heat soak
I think the brand I got was Pro-Comp.
works great , be sure to properly setup the new starter, adjust starter engagement, and shim properly for the flywheel.
I would suggest 1 of the gear reduction starters,
they work better and no heat soak
I think the brand I got was Pro-Comp.
works great , be sure to properly setup the new starter, adjust starter engagement, and shim properly for the flywheel.
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if your not worried about orginal,
I would suggest 1 of the gear reduction starters,
they work better and no heat soak
I think the brand I got was Pro-Comp.
works great , be sure to properly setup the new starter, adjust starter engagement, and shim properly for the flywheel.
I would suggest 1 of the gear reduction starters,
they work better and no heat soak
I think the brand I got was Pro-Comp.
works great , be sure to properly setup the new starter, adjust starter engagement, and shim properly for the flywheel.
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More importantly is whether your current starter is a correct date code and part numbered that match your power team configuration. Owners pay big bucks for those so you don't want to trade it in as a core for a cheap starter replacement.
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Whatever you do, if it is original keep it for posterity. If you don't care about original looking, replace it with a gear reduction type. C4s use those, also say 95 Suburban. If you go that route, you will have to ignore the yellow wire to the coil or add a relay. If you want original loooking, I recommend a Delco rebuilt from Advance or O'Reileys-not the house brand.
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if you aren't concerned about keeping all OEM, her is what I recommend. It's a powermaster with gear reduction and uses the more rigid diagonal bolt pattern, has the nose case bearing support. basically the same design as OEM but smaller. I've excellent results with mine, I have this design but mine is the "Mean Green" brand which is more heavy duty. Mean Green says they sell alot of these for RVs with the 454 engines, Delco also sells this design. no heat soak issues so far. about half the wait as the orig starter.
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if you aren't concerned about keeping all OEM, her is what I recommend. It's a powermaster with gear reduction and uses the more rigid diagonal bolt pattern, has the nose case bearing support. basically the same design as OEM but smaller. I've excellent results with mine, I have this design but mine is the "Mean Green" brand which is more heavy duty. Mean Green says they sell alot of these for RVs with the 454 engines, Delco also sells this design. no heat soak issues so far. about half the wait as the orig starter.
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After trying two rebuilt from Delco Remy, I went to an AC Delco store and got the "REAL" AC Delco replacement starter for my 81. All other replacments I tried had the dreaded "Heat Soak" problem and would leave me stranded until they cooled down. So if you want original look up AC Delco on line and see if there is a store near you.
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Thanks for all the responses! A friend of mine rebuilt the starter this morning. The brushes were worn all the way down and shorted it out. I wanted to stay original if possible, and so far this is working. I have saved everything I have replaced so far. If this does go south again I'll go to a gear reduction starter and save the original.
Thanks again.
Ron
Thanks again.
Ron
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if you aren't concerned about keeping all OEM, her is what I recommend. It's a powermaster with gear reduction and uses the more rigid diagonal bolt pattern, has the nose case bearing support. basically the same design as OEM but smaller. I've excellent results with mine, I have this design but mine is the "Mean Green" brand which is more heavy duty. Mean Green says they sell alot of these for RVs with the 454 engines, Delco also sells this design. no heat soak issues so far. about half the wait as the orig starter.
The pictured starter is not a gear reduction starter. It`s actually a OEM permanent magnet starter I believe first introduced by GM around 1988. and, 2
No such animals as 'heat soak' starters.
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http://www.powermastermotorsports.co..._starters.html
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It`s not a gear reduction starter. The information is not correct. Merely a stock late model GM metric starter fitting most V8`s both BB and SB engines. The armature goes straight through the starter without any side reduction gear. It`s really a permanent magnet starter. I dont know if any GM starter is a gear reduction. Most of the gear reduction starters are made from imported models as is Chrysler's of foreign origin.
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The same one. Just get $4.00 worth of brushes from NAPA and rebuild it yourself. A monkey can do one in 2 hours.
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you can tell the picture is not a gear reduction starter,
on a "gear reduction" the motor is offset of the drive pinion,
thus allowing for a gear in the middle, allowing gear reduction.
if the starter motor is in ine wih the starter nose,
it is a direct drive starter... Not a gear reduction.
I have used both,
I recommend the gear reduction for high compression motors.
Gear reduction starters, start easier and more reliable in my opinion.
69VETT
on a "gear reduction" the motor is offset of the drive pinion,
thus allowing for a gear in the middle, allowing gear reduction.
if the starter motor is in ine wih the starter nose,
it is a direct drive starter... Not a gear reduction.
I have used both,
I recommend the gear reduction for high compression motors.
Gear reduction starters, start easier and more reliable in my opinion.
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This looks like the mini-starter that GMPP recommends for 502 and up BB's. It's part no. 9000852. I bought one of these for my 70 BB. Yes it only works for the 168 tooth (14")flywheel.
They also sell a mini-starter for all 1958 - 1996 small blocks. It's part no. 12361146. It works with either the 153 tooth (12.75 inch) or the 168 (14") flywheel. I have one on my ZZ4. It's so much lighter than the stock starter. This mini-starter is relatively reasonably priced..I forget how much. The 9000852 starter is more expensive. I think I paid $325 for it.
They also sell a mini-starter for all 1958 - 1996 small blocks. It's part no. 12361146. It works with either the 153 tooth (12.75 inch) or the 168 (14") flywheel. I have one on my ZZ4. It's so much lighter than the stock starter. This mini-starter is relatively reasonably priced..I forget how much. The 9000852 starter is more expensive. I think I paid $325 for it.
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The GMPP 9000852 ministarter is a gear reduction starter. I have one and just installed it a month or so ago. I've looked closely at the starter pictured above. As far as I can tell it looks exactly like my GMPP 9000852 gear reduction ministarter. (Except of course the Powermaster logo is missing.) To see it's a gear reduction starter, I think you have to look at the side of the starter that's not pictured.
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The GMPP 9000852 ministarter is a gear reduction starter. I have one and just installed it a month or so ago. I've looked closely at the starter pictured above. As far as I can tell it looks exactly like my GMPP 9000852 gear reduction ministarter. (Except of course the Powermaster logo is missing.) To see it's a gear reduction starter, I think you have to look at the side of the starter that's not pictured.
I sell starters and the pictured starter is a direct drive Delco starter buiilt for GM fitting BB and SB V8`s. It is positively not a gear reduction starter. It was introduced as a light weight starter replacing the heavier similar off-set pattern aluminum nose going back to around 1970 with 350 and 454 engines. ....
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http://www.powermastermotorsports.co..._starters.html
The photo we're talking about is the same photo PowerMaster uses to advertise the PowerMAX starter, part number 9200. The specifications of the starter state that it is a 4.4:1 Gear Reduction starter. It's identified as a gear reduction starter even thoght the axis of the motor cylinder is the same as the drive gear.
This starter is rated at 160 foot-lbs. They've got a bunch of other models going up to 250 foot-lbs.
Last edited by 68/70Vette; Aug 21, 2008 at 06:22 PM.
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Sorry, surely you don't beleive everything you read on the Internet.
It is phsyically impossible for it to be a Gear Reduction.
you have to have room for the gears, (Gear Reduction)
wish requires the motor to be offset from the drive shaft.
**** take it apart, you will find 1 shaft, no gears.
These use the the words, but it should read~
"4.4:1 Gear Ratio"
Permanent Magnet Delco Starter
Clears All Headers
"4.4:1 Gear Reduction Ratio"
Cranking Power for up to 10.5:1 Compression
Mounting Bolts Included
Dyno Test Results Included
Weight: 8.5 lbs.
It is phsyically impossible for it to be a Gear Reduction.
you have to have room for the gears, (Gear Reduction)
wish requires the motor to be offset from the drive shaft.
**** take it apart, you will find 1 shaft, no gears.
These use the the words, but it should read~
"4.4:1 Gear Ratio"
Permanent Magnet Delco Starter
Clears All Headers
"4.4:1 Gear Reduction Ratio"
Cranking Power for up to 10.5:1 Compression
Mounting Bolts Included
Dyno Test Results Included
Weight: 8.5 lbs.