C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Bee Jay's Batwing install

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 12, 2008 | 11:24 PM
  #1  
Bee Jay's Avatar
Bee Jay
Thread Starter
Safety Car
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,961
Likes: 573
From: Lompoc, CA. Santa Barbara County
Default Bee Jay's Batwing install

I tried to add to a much earlier thread on this topic, but it is closed. Anyways, I finally started my batwing install this weekend. I have my trailing arms out, and I bought some offset trailing arms to replace them. They are off getting built up with new bearings.

But since I have half of the rear end out, I thought now would be a good time to do the batwing install.

Yep, While I'm in there, the start to most Corvette projects. I'll also mount the rear end an inch higher to lower the car and it's cg.

Removing the iron diff and crossmember was easy. I expected more trouble.
The batwing weighs 20 lbs. The iron cover and steel crossmeber weigh 35lbs, so I guess I'm only saving 15lbs.

Removing the stock rubber bushings from the aluminum batwing was a major pain in the a$$. But now I know how to do it. Press the rubber out, hack saw a groove in the steel sleeve, and then chisel them out.


I built a tool to temporarily mount the rear end in place while I build and weld in the brackets. This tool allows me to finely adjust the height of the rear end and the batwing can be removed out of the way when it's time to weld in the brackets. You can see that the original crossmember brackets are in the way and will have to come out. I hope my sawsall can handle that. There will be no turning back, there will be nowhere to mount the original cross member.





More later.
Bee Jay

Last edited by Bee Jay; Sep 13, 2009 at 11:47 AM.
Reply
Old Oct 13, 2008 | 12:06 AM
  #2  
IronJen's Avatar
IronJen
Abby Normal
Supporting Lifetime
20 Year Member
Veteran: Marine Corps
Community Builder
Liked
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 53,491
Likes: 92
From: Press "2" for English
Default

looks like a fine start. i'll be interested to see how it works out in the end. since you're going this route, you mind me asking why you just didn't go with the entire '80-82 aluminum rear?
Reply
Old Oct 13, 2008 | 03:35 AM
  #3  
enkeivette's Avatar
enkeivette
Melting Slicks
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,412
Likes: 3
Default

Originally Posted by clutchdust
looks like a fine start. i'll be interested to see how it works out in the end. since you're going this route, you mind me asking why you just didn't go with the entire '80-82 aluminum rear?
Cuz they're weak! The iron ones are way stronger and have a greater aftermarket.
Reply
Old Oct 13, 2008 | 03:49 AM
  #4  
gingerbreadman1977's Avatar
gingerbreadman1977
Drifting
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,911
Likes: 2
From: gold coast queensland
Default

awesome pics bee jay and good write up. excellent work !! im sure my my 81 aluminium diff will let me down soon enough with the way i drive it. how much better are the billsteins over what you had before?
Reply
Old Oct 13, 2008 | 09:11 AM
  #5  
69427's Avatar
69427
Tech Contributor
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 20,936
Likes: 962
From: I tend to be leery of any guy who doesn't own a chainsaw or a handgun.
Default

I ended up with the same 15 pound weight difference. (Apparently my cheap scale in the garage was somewhat accurate.) Keep the pictures coming!

Reply
Old Oct 13, 2008 | 09:15 AM
  #6  
Guru_4_hire's Avatar
Guru_4_hire
Team Owner
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 62,198
Likes: 1
From: All humans are vermin in the eyes of Guru VA
Cruise-In IV Veteran
Cruise-In V Veteran
Default

There is a guy in the C4 sections selling an adapter plate to mount a Dana 44 rearend if that is better which I think it is.
Reply
Old Oct 13, 2008 | 09:29 AM
  #7  
1nicecorvette's Avatar
1nicecorvette
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 876
Likes: 0
From: Canastota Ny
Default

wow! not for the weak of heart! gonna look nice!
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 03:16 PM
  #8  
Bee Jay's Avatar
Bee Jay
Thread Starter
Safety Car
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,961
Likes: 573
From: Lompoc, CA. Santa Barbara County
Default

The brackets are built and in. My friend Gill, we call him the "Detail Man" took Twin Turbos CAD and about a thousand measurements on my car, and designed these brackets. My friend Norm, with MAD welding skills, welded the brackets in. They are very elegant and strong. Check them out.
Hey, can somone please tell me the torque specs for the batwing cover bolts to the rear end.
Bee Jay





Last edited by Bee Jay; Sep 13, 2009 at 11:48 AM.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

5 Best & 5 Most Overrated Corvette Track Packages of All Time!

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Every 2027 Corvette Engine Explained

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

Designer Imagines A Corvette That Looks More Like a Corvette Than the Corvette

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-5

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-7

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 03:24 PM
  #9  
chevymans 77's Avatar
chevymans 77
Melting Slicks
Supporting Gold
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,717
Likes: 121
From: Sulphur LA
St. Jude Donor '05-'06,'11,'13-'14,'16,'18,'19,'24, '25
Default

nice work, clean and professionally done.

Neal
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 03:24 PM
  #10  
stingraymaniac's Avatar
stingraymaniac
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,135
Likes: 71
From: Umeå Sweden
Default

Looks great,nice welds
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 06:16 PM
  #11  
riggs 74's Avatar
riggs 74
Drifting
15 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,496
Likes: 6
From: springfield ohio
Default

WOW, now thats some nice fabricating
Keep up the good work and keep the pictures
coming.

Riggs.
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 07:37 PM
  #12  
spedaleden's Avatar
spedaleden
Safety Car
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,359
Likes: 57
From: Mundelein Illinois
Default

Bee Jay very nice work. Just wondering why are you going through all this?
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 08:24 PM
  #13  
Bee Jay's Avatar
Bee Jay
Thread Starter
Safety Car
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,961
Likes: 573
From: Lompoc, CA. Santa Barbara County
Default

Originally Posted by spedaleden
Bee Jay very nice work. Just wondering why are you going through all this?
Because it's there. Also, I think it looks cool.
It's another "while I'm in there" job, I had to remove my trailing arms to have the guts transferred to my new offset trailing arms, so I might as well do the batwing conversion while I'm in there. Actually I was hoping to raise the rear end 1" and lose about 50lbs. I ended up raising the rear end only 1/2" and I will lose 35lbs. To raise the batwing/iron rear end a full 1" higher than the original location would require modification of my hatch area floor and notching my frame for clearance. I had to trim the batwing top even with the iron rear end cover top. That gave me another 1/4" to raise the batwing. Raising the batwing to within 1/4" of the floor and 1/4" of the frame resulted in the 1/2" rise. The aluminum batwing is only 15 lbs lighter than the iron cover and crossmember, but I eliminated the crossmember that supported the rear end crossmember, just like GM did in 1980. Check this thread:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...necessary.html
That crossmember weighed 20lbs. So I lost 35lbs. Here is the nose mount modified to raise 1", the washers are there to bring it back to 1/2" rise.

Bee Jay

Last edited by Bee Jay; Sep 13, 2009 at 11:49 AM.
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 11:49 PM
  #14  
spedaleden's Avatar
spedaleden
Safety Car
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,359
Likes: 57
From: Mundelein Illinois
Default

You go my friend, you go!!!!!!!
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2008 | 05:49 PM
  #15  
burners's Avatar
burners
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,362
Likes: 7
From: Brazos TX
Cruise-In IV Veteran
Cruise-In V Veteran
Default

Very nice work, sir. Those brackets are pretty.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2008 | 11:27 PM
  #16  
Bee Jay's Avatar
Bee Jay
Thread Starter
Safety Car
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,961
Likes: 573
From: Lompoc, CA. Santa Barbara County
Default The batwing is in.

The batwing is in and solidly mounted Sunday evening. After that I got the driveshaft in and called it quits. It was getting cold and my Cowboys were comming on. I'm going home to Texas for Christmas Thursday, so I'll mount the offset trailing arms and finish this whole project maybe for New Years. I want to buy and burn some of this $1.80 a gallon premium. can someone please tell me what to torque the batwing cover bolts to the rear end.
Merry Christmas everybody.
Bee Jay


Last edited by Bee Jay; Sep 13, 2009 at 11:49 AM.
Reply
Old Dec 27, 2008 | 09:58 PM
  #17  
Bee Jay's Avatar
Bee Jay
Thread Starter
Safety Car
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,961
Likes: 573
From: Lompoc, CA. Santa Barbara County
Default

I'm back from my Christmas vacation in San Antonio Tx. It's a good thing I'm saving 35lbs with this batwing install, cause I just gained 20lbs. I got to work on the car a good nine hours today. Taking stuff apart goes much faster than putting stuff back together again. I had to raise the diff 1/4" and raise the tranny mount 3/4" to get the crank/tranny parallel with the rear end. Installing the offset trailing arms was a lotta fun, especially the bolts and alignment shims. It's important to know, the batwing mounts the leaf spring with a 3 hole plate instead of the original 4 hole plate. You must have a 3 hole plate and the needed bolts to mount the spring properly. I sure would like to know how you concours weenies put your cars together without chipping the powder coat or scratching the paint. I filled the diff with 2 pints of Valvoline synthetic gear oil. I need to bleed the brakes and hang the exhaust. Maybe tomorow after church, but the Cowoys are playing maybe their last game of the season. I need to get the car back in the garage before the rainy season gets here. Here's a pic. That batwing looks kinda cool in there. Removing that uneeded crossmember opens things up a bit too.
Bee Jay

Last edited by Bee Jay; Sep 13, 2009 at 11:50 AM.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To Bee Jay's Batwing install

Old Dec 27, 2008 | 11:35 PM
  #18  
MN-Brent's Avatar
MN-Brent
Le Mans Master
Veteran: Navy
25 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 5,000
Likes: 1
From: Minneapolis, Mn USA
Default

Looks fantastic!

Is that strut set-up designed to give you better camber angles through the wheel travel? It looks lower than where an OEM set-up might fall.

Like to see some pics of ride height before and after.

B.
Reply
Old Dec 27, 2008 | 11:48 PM
  #19  
Eddie 70's Avatar
Eddie 70
Race Director
Supporting Lifetime Gold
St. Jude 10 Year Donor
25 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 1999
Posts: 19,659
Likes: 34
From: Lenoir City Tennessee
Ci 6, 8 & 10 Veteran
St. Jude Donor '05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14-'15
Default

Looking good. You are close to getting it back on the road. I may have asked you this before but I am going to ask again. Whose strut rod setup are you using?
Reply
Old Dec 28, 2008 | 12:11 AM
  #20  
Bee Jay's Avatar
Bee Jay
Thread Starter
Safety Car
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,961
Likes: 573
From: Lompoc, CA. Santa Barbara County
Default

Originally Posted by Eddie 70
Looking good. You are close to getting it back on the road. I may have asked you this before but I am going to ask again. Whose strut rod setup are you using?
I bought the strut rods at the Pomona Swap meet really cheap. I found out why later. I have to disconnect an end to lengthen or shorten the rod. Turning the bar just moves it to the right or left, not changing the length. I made an aluminum spacer for my stock strut rod mount, and mounted to this mount, which lowers the mounting point significantly. Maybe a little overkill. Before I hooked up the spring, I checked the camber. It's negative at full drop, and approaches positve at full compression. Is that normal. It's about 0, or slightly negative at ride height. I painted the strut rod mount red, because that will make the car faster
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:08 PM.

story-0
5 Best & 5 Most Overrated Corvette Track Packages of All Time!

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 most overrated Corvette track packages ever.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 12:46:45


VIEW MORE
story-1
Every 2027 Corvette Engine Explained

Slideshow: Every 2027 Corvette engine explained

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 12:16:31


VIEW MORE
story-2
Designer Imagines A Corvette That Looks More Like a Corvette Than the Corvette

Slideshow: A Jaguar designer's personal project imagines what a modern front-engined Corvette might look like if Chevrolet revisited the golden age of the Stingray.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-08 19:53:43


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:40


VIEW MORE
story-6
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-8
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-9
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE