M-22 or ???: Trans.selection help
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From: Puyallup WA
I have been looking into wider ratio transmissions myself recently. Not to sure how true it is but the super T10s are supposed to be pretty strong, and i have read in a couple of places as strong as the M22. Again not to sure how true it is, but you can pick them up on ebay for a couple o hundred bucks a pop.
Supposedly you want the transmission with the high nickel gears.
You might even be able to find a good iron case from the early years and a good set of the 9310(?) later gears and really get crazy with it.
Just a thought.
I personally like the 2.64, 1.75, 1.33, 1 ratios much better than the wide ratio muncies and the close ratio muncies are just to tall for me.
Supposedly you want the transmission with the high nickel gears.
You might even be able to find a good iron case from the early years and a good set of the 9310(?) later gears and really get crazy with it.
Just a thought.
I personally like the 2.64, 1.75, 1.33, 1 ratios much better than the wide ratio muncies and the close ratio muncies are just to tall for me.
After that I purchased the clutch-turbo and my transmission problems were over - at least back then.
Jim -- I watched that video. Definitely a neat deal. Can you imagine how much I would have to cut up to get one of those to fit. Yah, that ain't happening!
The hunt continues....
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That is really cool, 9.30 on a 9.30 dial in also !! Clutch cars are cool.
I wonder how much floor board cutting it would take to get one of those into a 67......or maybe a 69
I wonder how much floor board cutting it would take to get one of those into a 67......or maybe a 69
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My experience with 9310 Super T-10's is not that good. Back in the '80's I bought a number of Super T-10's for my '69 427 car - destroying everyone by powershifting. I finally bought one of the 9310 Nickel Alloy trans thinking my transmission problems were over. It lasted longer than the others but it ultimately met it's end when I jumped on it in second gear while driving on the street. It destroyed the input shaft.
After that I purchased the clutch-turbo and my transmission problems were over - at least back then.
Jim -- I watched that video. Definitely a neat deal. Can you imagine how much I would have to cut up to get one of those to fit. Yah, that ain't happening!
The hunt continues....
Steve
After that I purchased the clutch-turbo and my transmission problems were over - at least back then.
Jim -- I watched that video. Definitely a neat deal. Can you imagine how much I would have to cut up to get one of those to fit. Yah, that ain't happening!
The hunt continues....
Steve
Not to sure how relevant it is, but what about one of those fancy schmancy glide type clutches? Would that keep some of the shock off of the tranny bits? Might keep that ROD 6 living if they work the way I think they do.
For instance?
http://www.titanspeed.com/content/cl...echtalk02.html
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It was a thought.
Not to sure how relevant it is, but what about one of those fancy schmancy glide type clutches? Would that keep some of the shock off of the tranny bits? Might keep that ROD 6 living if they work the way I think they do.
For instance?
http://www.titanspeed.com/content/cl...echtalk02.html
Not to sure how relevant it is, but what about one of those fancy schmancy glide type clutches? Would that keep some of the shock off of the tranny bits? Might keep that ROD 6 living if they work the way I think they do.
For instance?
http://www.titanspeed.com/content/cl...echtalk02.html
Steve
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I had a conversation with George at Autogear today and things are looking a little better. I am going to try to talk to him again tomorrow and hopefully that will put this to bed.
Steve
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We have a road racing car in the shop with one of these tex SR1's
I have not driven it to know how it is. I also don't know how it is rated. Another car has this bad to the bone 5 speed sequential. I wish I owned it. I was told it was about $9500, but I don't know who makes it.
I have to learn how to shift Hewland transaxles for this next season. Without tearing them up.
As for my Vette and the TKO 600. I've had trouble down shifting from 5th to third while braking hard and getting setup for the turn. I never really noticed a 2-3 shift problem because road racing I only used 3-4-5 with a 4.11 rear end
We have a road racing car in the shop with one of these tex SR1's
I have not driven it to know how it is. I also don't know how it is rated. Another car has this bad to the bone 5 speed sequential. I wish I owned it. I was told it was about $9500, but I don't know who makes it.
I have to learn how to shift Hewland transaxles for this next season. Without tearing them up.
As for my Vette and the TKO 600. I've had trouble down shifting from 5th to third while braking hard and getting setup for the turn. I never really noticed a 2-3 shift problem because road racing I only used 3-4-5 with a 4.11 rear end
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fastest 1963 video on street( just broke 1/4 record )
http://superchevy.automotive.com/vid...deo/index.html
looks kike a trans for you
looks kike a trans for you
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From: Puyallup WA
http://www.texracing.com/
We have a road racing car in the shop with one of these tex SR1's
I have not driven it to know how it is. I also don't know how it is rated. Another car has this bad to the bone 5 speed sequential. I wish I owned it. I was told it was about $9500, but I don't know who makes it.
I have to learn how to shift Hewland transaxles for this next season. Without tearing them up.
As for my Vette and the TKO 600. I've had trouble down shifting from 5th to third while braking hard and getting setup for the turn. I never really noticed a 2-3 shift problem because road racing I only used 3-4-5 with a 4.11 rear end
We have a road racing car in the shop with one of these tex SR1's
I have not driven it to know how it is. I also don't know how it is rated. Another car has this bad to the bone 5 speed sequential. I wish I owned it. I was told it was about $9500, but I don't know who makes it.
I have to learn how to shift Hewland transaxles for this next season. Without tearing them up.
As for my Vette and the TKO 600. I've had trouble down shifting from 5th to third while braking hard and getting setup for the turn. I never really noticed a 2-3 shift problem because road racing I only used 3-4-5 with a 4.11 rear end
jboweriii -- Great video and article, thanks!! As for the Lenco type trans in the car, I'm jealous.
Steve
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I just wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions and advice. I have decided on the Autogear M-22 after talking with George. He is the chief engineer over there and really knows transmissions - but then again I suppose you would have to to be a chief engineer.
If any of you are on the fence about a manual trans and you don't need an overdrive, I would suggest you give him a call. It will be quite enlightening!
George was a little hesitant selling this trans to me but after two conversations we both felt better about it. He flat told me that the horsepower and torque level's of my car are outside the range that they normally deal in. He said that if the TKO-600 survived the nitrous runs I made and the Richmond 6 speed survived the other runs, then his M-22 would certainly survive since it is a stronger trans than either of these. Of course, only actually making the runs will back up that claim!
I told him I was willing to take the leap and give it a try - hey what's the worst thing that could happen?
Steve
If any of you are on the fence about a manual trans and you don't need an overdrive, I would suggest you give him a call. It will be quite enlightening!
George was a little hesitant selling this trans to me but after two conversations we both felt better about it. He flat told me that the horsepower and torque level's of my car are outside the range that they normally deal in. He said that if the TKO-600 survived the nitrous runs I made and the Richmond 6 speed survived the other runs, then his M-22 would certainly survive since it is a stronger trans than either of these. Of course, only actually making the runs will back up that claim!
I told him I was willing to take the leap and give it a try - hey what's the worst thing that could happen?
Steve
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I just wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions and advice. I have decided on the Autogear M-22 after talking with George. He is the chief engineer over there and really knows transmissions - but then again I suppose you would have to to be a chief engineer.
If any of you are on the fence about a manual trans and you don't need an overdrive, I would suggest you give him a call. It will be quite enlightening!
George was a little hesitant selling this trans to me but after two conversations we both felt better about it. He flat told me that the horsepower and torque level's of my car are outside the range that they normally deal in. He said that if the TKO-600 survived the nitrous runs I made and the Richmond 6 speed survived the other runs, then his M-22 would certainly survive since it is a stronger trans than either of these. Of course, only actually making the runs will back up that claim!
I told him I was willing to take the leap and give it a try - hey what's the worst thing that could happen?
Steve
If any of you are on the fence about a manual trans and you don't need an overdrive, I would suggest you give him a call. It will be quite enlightening!
George was a little hesitant selling this trans to me but after two conversations we both felt better about it. He flat told me that the horsepower and torque level's of my car are outside the range that they normally deal in. He said that if the TKO-600 survived the nitrous runs I made and the Richmond 6 speed survived the other runs, then his M-22 would certainly survive since it is a stronger trans than either of these. Of course, only actually making the runs will back up that claim!
I told him I was willing to take the leap and give it a try - hey what's the worst thing that could happen?
Steve
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It is interesting that you bring this up. The same thing you were suggesting earlier about a "softer" clutch engagement was also brought up by George. I am not sure that a McLeod Street Twin really fits the bill but at this time I am not sure where to go from here.
Steve
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Originally Posted by Frogday
Puyallup isn't too far away from me, I'd like to take a look at this sometime. 
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The guy at titanspeed is really cool if you want to call them, its like calling dewitts, your probably going to talk to the owner if you call. I really enjoyed my shopping experience when I bought my oil pump.
They are just really expensive.
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I just wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions and advice. I have decided on the Autogear M-22 after talking with George. He is the chief engineer over there and really knows transmissions - but then again I suppose you would have to to be a chief engineer.
If any of you are on the fence about a manual trans and you don't need an overdrive, I would suggest you give him a call. It will be quite enlightening!
George was a little hesitant selling this trans to me but after two conversations we both felt better about it. He flat told me that the horsepower and torque level's of my car are outside the range that they normally deal in. He said that if the TKO-600 survived the nitrous runs I made and the Richmond 6 speed survived the other runs, then his M-22 would certainly survive since it is a stronger trans than either of these. Of course, only actually making the runs will back up that claim!
I told him I was willing to take the leap and give it a try - hey what's the worst thing that could happen?
Steve
If any of you are on the fence about a manual trans and you don't need an overdrive, I would suggest you give him a call. It will be quite enlightening!
George was a little hesitant selling this trans to me but after two conversations we both felt better about it. He flat told me that the horsepower and torque level's of my car are outside the range that they normally deal in. He said that if the TKO-600 survived the nitrous runs I made and the Richmond 6 speed survived the other runs, then his M-22 would certainly survive since it is a stronger trans than either of these. Of course, only actually making the runs will back up that claim!
I told him I was willing to take the leap and give it a try - hey what's the worst thing that could happen?
Steve
good choice.
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Gray is correct on the shifting method, you have to re-train yourself to nail the 2-3 shift when you are excited and pounding the gears. Gray is also correct, those 2600 TKOs came from us right here at Keisler. Happy Thanksgiving....TURKEY! 