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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 05:48 PM
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I have a '72, 350 cu vette. I have retrofitted to an HEI ignition, and, I am using stock heads. I've been using Delco R44TS plugs gapped at 50 (these are the short shank type) but they don't last. I've read somewhere that I should be using something like a Delco FR5LS or NGK BCPR5ES, which are the longer shank type, and they allow for the wider gap requirements of the HEI ignition. What plugs should I be using? Are the longer shanks going to hit the piston? I need a little insight here.
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 06:08 PM
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For performance engines a .035 gap is the best. In fact either points or electronic use the same .035. Those wide gaps were a product of ideas resulting to try and lower emissions no longer found to be necessary. The R44T or R44TS is the correct plug for tapered seat heads. A R45T could be OK also as its one step warmer. ..
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 09:34 PM
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R44TS @ .035 is the right plug for your heads. I changed to HEI last year on my 73 and run the same combo and it fires nice and even and smooth.
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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 09:12 AM
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Thanks for the input. I've heard so many opinions on this subject I was beginning to get confused. My concern was the upgraded ignition (HEI) and what effect it would have on the original plug type. So it's R44TS set to .35 from now on.
Thanks again for the info.
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I forgot to mention its also a very good ignition and fancy upgrades with there stick on decals will not give any better perfomance, all they do is just cost more for the same results....... ....
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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 10:14 AM
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I forgot to mention its also a very good ignition and fancy upgrades with there stick on decals will not give any better perfomance, all they do is just cost more for the same results....... ....
but people will spend the money anyway.
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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 10:22 AM
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My concern was the upgraded ignition (HEI) and what effect it would have on the original plug type.
The actual discharge voltage is not set by the type of ignition system, it is set by the energy required to jump the gap in the spark plug. A typical plug with a .035" gap might take only 8-12K volts to fire depending on condition, so that's the maximum amount of energy that will be stored.

You might have a 'hyper coil' or an HEI that can produce 50K volts, but the plugs fire at 8-12K.

Net gain is zero.
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But the owner feels so much better about their car.... and feelings are important, too.
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But the owner feels so much better about their car.... and feelings are important, too.

True- and the seller of the HEI feels the best of all- from the money he's now got.
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
The actual discharge voltage is not set by the type of ignition system, it is set by the energy required to jump the gap in the spark plug. A typical plug with a .035" gap might take only 8-12K volts to fire depending on condition, so that's the maximum amount of energy that will be stored.

You might have a 'hyper coil' or an HEI that can produce 50K volts, but the plugs fire at 8-12K.

Net gain is zero.
Yes and no. You are correct that the plugs are a main determining factor here, but they only set the arcover voltage, not the energy level. The coil and ignition module determine the energy level stored in the coil, and this energy is then dissipated in the arc. The HEI, due to it's greater energy storage, will cause a longer arcover duration (burntime) as there is more energy stored in the coil that needs to be "emptied".
The usual "50kV coil" description only tells you how much voltage it takes to internally short out the coil windings. It does not give any indication of how much energy (the key ingredient) that is actually stored in the coil.
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i have a 79 vett with an HEI. But I also have a a 72 jeep that had a Mallory unalight and Mallery coil , Changed it to a HEI and it starts better, runs smoother and seems to accelerate better... so.. im sold
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it starts better, runs smoother and seems to accelerate better... so.. im sold
That's because your old stuff was worn out. What are you going to do when your HEI wears out?
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no, the mallory unalight and coil were about 4 years old, and the jeep maybe gets 5-10k miles per year, Distributor was also changed like 3 months earlier. so....this was my personal result and I would do it again in a heart beat. just starts so much better.. maybe results vary.. p:-)
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Lotsa psychological horsepower purchased every day. Especially with air filters and ignition systems!
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Ironcross whats the upper limit on RPMs for the HEI? It would also be great if GM would offer a REV limiter for the HEI.

Neal
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whatever the valve train permits,
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