Guldstrand 5 Link
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Re: Guldstrand 5 Link (grnwd daytona)
Merlin522 yeah the guy with the 74 with a few k horse.... talked with them, they talked him into building his own :yesnod: with C4 parts...
I would call them up and get all the specs and that stuff... Norval built a setup similar to gulstrands for around 300 bucks if i remember right :seeya
I would call them up and get all the specs and that stuff... Norval built a setup similar to gulstrands for around 300 bucks if i remember right :seeya
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From: WI
Re: Guldstrand 5 Link (grnwd daytona)
grnwd,
I have the Riley/Guldstrand unit in another road race car i have and it is an awesome piece and absolutly NOTHING like the $300 6-link, this thing has $300 worth of heim joints on it !! It was designed by a race car engineer NOT by some guy in his garage, pardon the rant but it seems lately everybody "thinks" they can build a better mouse trap for less (in this case lots less) money. The 5-link i have is for sale if anyone (WITH MONEY) is interested as it`s not legal in vintage racing. ...redvetracr
I have the Riley/Guldstrand unit in another road race car i have and it is an awesome piece and absolutly NOTHING like the $300 6-link, this thing has $300 worth of heim joints on it !! It was designed by a race car engineer NOT by some guy in his garage, pardon the rant but it seems lately everybody "thinks" they can build a better mouse trap for less (in this case lots less) money. The 5-link i have is for sale if anyone (WITH MONEY) is interested as it`s not legal in vintage racing. ...redvetracr
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Re: Guldstrand 5 Link (grnwd daytona)
I built my own for $115 for the rod ends and $11.00 for the aluminum rods. I may not be as good as the professional enginers but I am very happy with the results. It looks alot stronger then stock, feels tighter when grabbing the wheel and shaking it and with a level on the caliper it holds is camber through the full travel.
I can say at least that I built it, it did not cost much and no I am not selling parts.
I can say at least that I built it, it did not cost much and no I am not selling parts.
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Re: Guldstrand 5 Link (grnwd daytona)
Guys I have posted pictures on my 6 link before. Do a search. It appeared again a few weeks ago.
I also designed and built my own axles 86% larger then stock with oversize bearings. They are installed and look wild with the large outer nut. They too cost me about $100 for the pair in beer to the guys who did the splining.
I would like to run a post on these but they are something that most guys could never attempt. They are full 1.5 inch diameter , 4340 steel heat treated to 47 RC and should be unbreakable.
If anyone is attempting the 6 link i would gladly help with pictures and verbal details.
I also designed and built my own axles 86% larger then stock with oversize bearings. They are installed and look wild with the large outer nut. They too cost me about $100 for the pair in beer to the guys who did the splining.
I would like to run a post on these but they are something that most guys could never attempt. They are full 1.5 inch diameter , 4340 steel heat treated to 47 RC and should be unbreakable.
If anyone is attempting the 6 link i would gladly help with pictures and verbal details.
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Re: Guldstrand 5 Link (norvalwilhelm)
norvalwilhelm,
"It looks alot stronger then stock, feels tighter when grabbing the wheel and shaking it and with a level on the caliper it holds is camber through the full travel."
Your kidding right "a level" ,camber change (bump steer) is measured with micrometers in thousands of an inch, NOT with a level but as long as it "looks alot stronger than stock" i`m sure it works! case closed!!
..redvetracr
"It looks alot stronger then stock, feels tighter when grabbing the wheel and shaking it and with a level on the caliper it holds is camber through the full travel."
Your kidding right "a level" ,camber change (bump steer) is measured with micrometers in thousands of an inch, NOT with a level but as long as it "looks alot stronger than stock" i`m sure it works! case closed!!
..redvetracr
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Re: Guldstrand 5 Link (redvetracr)
redvetracr,
Do you have any digital pics of it mounted in the car? I have been considering this for a long time but have never seen one mounted. Dave T & Dick have me talked into buying one but it won't be for a while, the motor project has priority now and it seems I'm having trouble with my money printer ;) . If you do have some email me at shark.tank@verizon.net Thanks!
Do you have any digital pics of it mounted in the car? I have been considering this for a long time but have never seen one mounted. Dave T & Dick have me talked into buying one but it won't be for a while, the motor project has priority now and it seems I'm having trouble with my money printer ;) . If you do have some email me at shark.tank@verizon.net Thanks!
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Re: Guldstrand 5 Link (C3 Shark Tank)
Sorry no digital but you can see a pretty good pic of it at the Guldstrand web site,just remember his "display" pic has some extra pieces to hold it up.
.....redvetracr
.....redvetracr
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Re: Guldstrand 5 Link (redvetracr)
Your kidding right "a level" ,camber change (bump steer) is measured with micrometers in thousands of an inch, NOT with a level but as long as it "looks alot stronger than stock" i`m sure it works! case closed!!
..redvetracr
..redvetracr
with my cheap, whipped together, garage built 6 link :rolleyes:
[Modified by Stingy74, 6:41 PM 2/5/2002]
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Re: Guldstrand 5 Link (redvetracr)
redvetracr,
Thanks anyway. I've seen the display on their site, was hoping for a shot of one installed.
shawn_cake,
How about you? Got a digital camera you can take a few pics of the set up with? I'd be most greatful.
Thanks anyway. I've seen the display on their site, was hoping for a shot of one installed.
shawn_cake,
How about you? Got a digital camera you can take a few pics of the set up with? I'd be most greatful.
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Re: Guldstrand 5 Link (redvetracr)
There are do it yourself alignment tools on the market. Mine is a HOWEL. It is a level with a bubble and it magnetically attaches to the spindle. The level reads camber, rotating the wheel 20 degrees left and right reads caster. Again using a level to read the number of degrees.
l had my car aligned twice. Once at the dealers and once at a reputable shop and both times I was not happy. After setting it myself and finding the other two had set it within specs but not the same side to side I did it myself and was very happy with the results.
You may have a micrometer big enough to measure side to side but I am stuck with a level.
As for something have to be engineered by a professional I have taught at the leading Mechanical engineering university in Ontario for the last 35 years with alot of very smart people and feel I can decide for myself if I am comfortable with a modification I have done to my car.
Just because it doesn't have a big price tag doesn't mean it isn't going to work.
I am at a point in life where money is not really an issue any longer but personal satisfaction is.
Have a nice day REDVETRACER
l had my car aligned twice. Once at the dealers and once at a reputable shop and both times I was not happy. After setting it myself and finding the other two had set it within specs but not the same side to side I did it myself and was very happy with the results.
You may have a micrometer big enough to measure side to side but I am stuck with a level.
As for something have to be engineered by a professional I have taught at the leading Mechanical engineering university in Ontario for the last 35 years with alot of very smart people and feel I can decide for myself if I am comfortable with a modification I have done to my car.
Just because it doesn't have a big price tag doesn't mean it isn't going to work.
I am at a point in life where money is not really an issue any longer but personal satisfaction is.
Have a nice day REDVETRACER
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Re: Guldstrand 5 Link (norvalwilhelm)
Norval, I think your work is the best I've seen on the forum at any price, and your helpful posts are second to none! I plan to include several of your ideas in my car, and I'm looking forward to your help when I get there...
I guess we're just poor street cruising folk, not Vette Racers :lol:
-Joe
I guess we're just poor street cruising folk, not Vette Racers :lol:
-Joe
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Re: Guldstrand 5 Link (norvalwilhelm)
I agree with with Flareside, in that I have benefited from a lot of things Norvel has posted. I only know him from the forum, but I have read things that told me he is a person with integrity and intelligence.
I have also benifited from redvetracr and his information/experiences as well. I think this forum is an excellent place to blend a lot of information for the masses, throughtout the world, that drive Corvettes.
There is certainly enough room for all of this knowledge. Money is a limiting factor for my hobby, so when I can get good information from people, like the both of you, I feel extremely confident it has come with a significant degree of safety, experience and functionality.
Thank you both. Can I get an amen?
[Modified by GWHITE75, 9:09 AM 2/6/2002]
I have also benifited from redvetracr and his information/experiences as well. I think this forum is an excellent place to blend a lot of information for the masses, throughtout the world, that drive Corvettes.
There is certainly enough room for all of this knowledge. Money is a limiting factor for my hobby, so when I can get good information from people, like the both of you, I feel extremely confident it has come with a significant degree of safety, experience and functionality.
Thank you both. Can I get an amen?
[Modified by GWHITE75, 9:09 AM 2/6/2002]
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Re: Guldstrand 5 Link (Flareside)
Norval,Flareside&Stingy,
You all seem to be missing the point, someone claimed to have built a "better mousetrap" all i asked for was some degree of documentation . Checking "bump steer" is a well known way to check if your suspension is really doing what you say it is doing, "going straight up and down".If you knew what a bump steer check was you would know it requires the use of two dial indicators measuring the suspension travel of a plate bolted to the wheel hub in thousands of an inch and not with a level. If you want to "flame me" because i dispute your lack of results, KNOCK YOURSELF OUT ! But there is a right way to check what you have claimed and then there is your way (with a level). ....redvetracr
PS: Flareside, I must be doing something right as i have one of the fastest vintage race Corvettes in the country ! And if you read Corvette Fever you have seen it more than once.
[Modified by redvetracr, 2:52 PM 2/6/2002]
You all seem to be missing the point, someone claimed to have built a "better mousetrap" all i asked for was some degree of documentation . Checking "bump steer" is a well known way to check if your suspension is really doing what you say it is doing, "going straight up and down".If you knew what a bump steer check was you would know it requires the use of two dial indicators measuring the suspension travel of a plate bolted to the wheel hub in thousands of an inch and not with a level. If you want to "flame me" because i dispute your lack of results, KNOCK YOURSELF OUT ! But there is a right way to check what you have claimed and then there is your way (with a level). ....redvetracr
PS: Flareside, I must be doing something right as i have one of the fastest vintage race Corvettes in the country ! And if you read Corvette Fever you have seen it more than once.
[Modified by redvetracr, 2:52 PM 2/6/2002]
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Re: Guldstrand 5 Link (redvetracr)
PS: Flareside, I must be doing something right as i have one of the fastest vintage race Corvettes in the country ! And if you read Corvette Fever you have seen it more than once.