The only thing off the coast of your state is wind energy. Oh, wait, Uncle Teddy doesn't want that either because it would spoil the view.

 

That's one thing i do agree with him on.

 

A couple things:

NIMBY If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. And I'm seeing darn few solutions coming out of Fathead Ted land. I used to live in Alaska. I wasn't offended by the occasional Oil Platform out in the distance. The yearly oil royalty checks from the state to the residents there is a nice thing. I'll bet the money is going just the opposite direction in your area, huh.
Fat ***? Thirty four inch waist here (I'm 6'3"). I wear the same size clothes that I did in college. Can you say the same?
SUV: I don't drive one. I do have my Silverado though. I need it to haul the trailer and Corvette to the track.

Got any other complaints?

 

I have no problems with E10. Tune your car to it and use a stabilizer. We have been on it here in VA for years and once you adjust to it your fine.

This recent Obama talk of E20 is sceery tho. But since they can't make enough from corn to brake even on E20 and the world wa wa's yelling about food prices I don't think it will happen soon. Economics should take care of that one.

Let them greenies keep pushing hybrids and electrics until the Jones' are all on board. This will drive down the price of gas due to lower demand. Gas will become hobby fuel and nobody will care whats in it anymore!

There's optimism for all you chicken little's!

 

Some friends of mine here in Cali say E85 is sort of like secret race fuel. It has higher octane so if you build your car for it you can make a ton of power, particularly with boosted cars. Being able to switch from E85 to regular gas would be the trick.

 

For the life of me I can't understand how a man can claim to be a engineer and buy into all this/that enviro they selling to sheeple.....

it makes NO sense, NONE of it.....

seems like anyone with 1/2 way critical thinking would see that, guess not....

 

Do you really think that ethanol is a good thing? Do you have any idea what its doing to other countries right now? What its doing to OUR country right now?

We have many, many, MANY farmers that are switching to growing corn because of the subsidies. The profit margin is amazing on the stuff right now because the government pays over HALF the cost. You know what the downside of this is? If the government stops subsidizing it, the cost will be handed to us. If the government keeps paying for it, we start seeing major crop shortages and much lower supply of less profitable food. Not to mention as demand goes up for it, and supply cannot keep up by any means, then we start seeing major food shortages HERE. Do you know how much is made from corn, corn starch, etc? Mexico had riots in 07 and 08 due to the unbelievable prices of tortillas.. the people there could not afford them, and the corn that they normally buy from up here (exported from out country legally) was in very short supply.

Using one of your major food sources as an energy source is a disaster in the making. Imagine the first time we have massive droughts? or floods? You think the crude market is rocky, you haven't seen anything yet.

couple quick easy google found links.. I can find much better ones if you want.
http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/le...-shortages-in/

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=13183

Ohh and for the tuning for ethanol. I would if I knew that is what I would be using. One tank is e10. The next is ethanol blend but not the same ratio. The next one may have no ethanol in it. We are not fully integrated here, so taking a 3 hour trip may mean where you stop on the highway is a crapshoot on what blend you get.

 

I'm not a 15 year old texter. I have no idea what that means.

Ok so you're proud of your figure. I didn't mean you in particular just lazy fat *** people in general.


Yea, like more than a handfull of you guys ever get 3 hours from the house in these things.




Look, This stuff is better for the environment and renewable and creates jobs here. It's pushing up the cost of food for now? Ok, but that will work its way out in the long run. Continuing efficiencies will be gained as we get more experience and economies of scale will kick in.

It becomes pretty obvious there is some serious bias going on here. There's just no reason to hate the stuff that much. I guess people with oil related jobs are scared? I don't know why. We'll be using oil for a long time to come too.

New technology always gets **** on.

Oh, and i was at the grocery store a few days ago and bought 10 ears of corn for a buck. Bullsheit scare tactics.

And if food is scarce in 3rd world countries, that's a good thing. Maybe the scumbags will think before they have 12 friggin kids.

And no, i'm not a LIBERAL. Sorry i don't fit into any recognizable stereotype.

 

Government subsidized (ie: market distorted) programs are rarely successful or an efficient use of the taxpayer's money.

 

New technology is fine, but it should at least be efficient. This isn't efficient, reasonable, affordable, or even worth exploring much further. Anything that takes MORE to do the same job as the current standard is a step back, or a step sideway's at best.

Diesel vehicles for example would be a MUCH better alternative, as you can get them to very low emissions and a MUCH better fuel economy. Biodiesel is very easy to come by and very cheap, not to mention normal diesel is easier to create than unleaded gas and if made more in larger quantities would drive the price down.

Hydrogen fuel cells have proven to be a great idea. Electric/hybrid cars are a great start. There are a lot of other good alternatives in the works.

No matter what the government does, they will still have to account for older vehicles. Between the destruction of the fuel lines, early computers unable to adapt without reprogramming, carbs having to be retuned at the least, etc.. its going to be a major pain. However if you move on to something different, still produce and keep the old vehicles fuel supply around, and let the market dictate that, the problem will resolve itself eventually. By forcing something down consumers throats, they are looking at a major backlash.

Using a major food source as energy is a big setup for disaster. It's extremely expensive and could easily become costly in not just a dollar and cents kind of way.

 

Sometimes you have to lose money before you can make money. We'd never make any progress if emerging technologies had to be cheaper than existing mass produced goods right off the bat. The horseless carriage was more expensive than owning and feeding a horse at frist. If ethanol was as disasterous as you guys make out why does every major city in the US have it?

I'm all for biodiesel, hydrogen, fuel cells....whatever. I'm tired of making the saudis rich so they have more money to make bombs to kill us.

Quit worring about your fuel lines rotting and try to understand the big picture. My fuel lines have lasted 20 years running ethanol. It's BS man.

 

Wow, turtle, You sure got a lot of nerve putting down my old Suburban (SUV), while driving an old gas hog of a 75 Corvette. Talk about your new technology, my SUV will get better gas mileage than that `75 vette any day. They were the worst of the worst. And, I drive my 66, that happens to have modern technology (TPI), thousands of miles a year, very often much more than three hours away. Just this weekend a hundred miles away from home, I got the 10% stuff by accident, and sputtered all the way home. Cant wait to get it burned out of there. You are a definite minority here for sure. You might want to go on back to MA and vote for old Teddy just one more time.

 

The wife and i are going to go out to dinner and party when he kicks off.

Hey, i do like driving my fat *** around in the vette. I'm not going to turn around and bitch about ethanol after polluting and wasting as much fuel as i do. I'd be willing to tune it for E85 to make ammends. If i could get it.

If your fuel injected car is sputtering on 10% ethanol blend......i don't know.... Where did you get your mechanics license?

I am in Massachusetts right now. Moved from the south as soon as i could get out of there. No more shooting small animals and making Gumbo out of them.

 

There is one thing that you LIBS don't understand. Nobody forced those horseless carriages on the rest of us. When they became viable in a free market, they were adopted into common use. Yes cars might have been more expensive at first, but that quickly changed with cheap fuel, and mass production. They became less expensive before the change over to common use occurred. No one force you to buy one before it was economical, and I guarantee they didn't come into common use before that.

 

Thank goodness you went back.

 

You wouldn't have air bags in your car if not for the government. You wouldn't have sewage systems, clean water, electricity yada yada yada. You wouldn't have a lot of technologies that we take for granted. We wouldn't have explored space. Because none of this stuff made business sense.

I guess i am becoming somewhat liberal. I am starting to believe people are just too dumb to continue to exist without guidance. If the government has to lead the way then so be it.

Frigging kids are dumber than hell. That Jaywalking stuff is not made up. Rent the movie Idioracy. It's going to happen.

 

OH Yea, tell me bout it. The two towns about 15 miles from me have about 200,000 new Yankees in them and they are forcibly coming out here in the country where I live to put their new Sewage Plant. With that comes their Electric lines, pipelines, and modern technologies, yada,yada,yada. They have condemned my land to install these modern conveniences for themselves and I wont have access. They threaten my way of life and my clean water, not to mention my clean un-smelly air. I am about sick of your progress and your government leadership.

Like I said, I'm mighty glad you went back.

And, BTW, nothing I drive has air-bags, and I like it that way.

 

turtle sounds like a socialist, if you want that go find another country and leave the land of the free, brave etc. alone. People who propose ethonol from food source like corn don't know &*(^ about anything except what they read from people like a-hole gore who bought a peace prize...what a joke he was, is and always will be. I AM for clean air but not for stupid rushing to thinking corn gas will get us away from foreign oil, shell pres said couple years ago there was enough KNOWN oil reserves to last over 100 years with current and projected useage. Take time to develop new technology, not rush into things like liberals always want to do, green thinking people say do this do that then they still drive like the rest of us but butch, they would be very unhappy if they actually got what they THINK they want.... look at the likes of cameron diaz, paltrow, gore etc., they speak green but live in hugh energy sucking houses, fly around in energy sucking planes to spread their bs lies and then say oh look how eco friendly I am I drive a priuswhat clowns people who think like that are.

 

 

For real or are you BSing me?

If so, I'm sorry to hear that.



I agree with the Hollywood part.

I would have rather had McCain but a majority of people voted for the "socialist" Obama agenda. And in a democracy the majority rules. We have to accept that.

So ethanol is going to be the death of freedom? You guys sound pretty radical. Not to many of those left anymore.

Somebody has to craft a long term plan. The only entity that can do that is the representative of the people ie Congress and the President. Big business has proven they aren't up to the task because of the economic meltdown. They only think 30 days out and do anything they can get away with for a buck.

Would you rather have Walmart condem your property for a new superstore? 6 one way and half a dozen the other.