Helping you is not a problem. . . All the wiper problems this week are mixing together.

Your question about 10 and 11. Yellow 10 is hot all the time with the key on and the blue 11 is the ground from the switch for the relay. If the relay is smoked this might be what is putting power to the blue wire on you.

Willcox

 

if i pulled the blue wire off, and seperately ran a jumper from the terminal to gorund, would it fry the motor. Is there any way to test the relay without taking it out of the car

 

Ace,

What kind of voltage do you have on the blue wire?

Willcox

 

Ace,

Today I put power on the blue wire to see what would happen. The wires started smoking on my test machine! (12 volts.)

With the key off you should not have any power on the lt blue wire. I tried it both ways. Nothing I did made the motor run all the time. Did you remove the pump and see if the switch is stuck?

Willcox

 

im going to be doing the voltage test tonight, I have tested the switch individually, it works fine according to my continuity check. It seems the only thing that can give that blue wire power is the relay.

 

Ace I'm not sure how you are testing the voltage on the blue wire BUT if you are using a test light between ground and the blue wire AND the blue wire is SEEKING ground your test light will light.
Also-Its possible but I haven't actually done it on this circuit that if you are reading the voltage with a voltmeter even with the blue wire connected that the voltmeter will read voltage on the blue ground side wire.
Did that make sense.....heck no, so lets do something else because with this setup you have I don't think reading voltages on the grounding side of the solenoid and relay will tell us much. You just want the dang thing to work.

At this point the way I read what the problem is is that the wipers work perfectly on all speeds but they will not park and shut off .
If this is correct after you take the voltage reading that you were going to do perform a little test for me if you dont mind.
Start the car and use the vacuum pulldown switch to keep the wiper door in the up position. Pull the yellow/blue wire connector off the solenoid and see if the wiper will now park and shut off. If that doesnt do it pull the yellow/blue wire connector off the relay and see if that allow the wiper to park. Let us know.
( you did decide that the "no park" condition that Ernie was talking about is not pawl related didnt you ?)

 

no i havent had a chance to take the motor apart again, i have been busy with work. The wipers onyl function on intermediate, they wont change to hi speed, and as soon as the door opens the wiprs go.

 

Can you put everything back the way it was to get us back to here ?

 

all i changed was the red/white wire going to the yellow wire. I also have .36 volts on the blue wire at the connector to the motor...

 

when i get a chance again maybe i will try to put it all back but all i did was take the yellow wire, cut it and then had the red wire run through the yellow wire?

 

I'm going back and trying to understand what you meant in your OP.

#1 I thought you meant you were surprised that your wipers would still work perfectly even though the power leads were disconnected from the wiper motor.

#2 Maybe you meant the wipers worked perfectly but would not park and shut off even though the power was disconnected.

 

So the yellow wire spade (center spade) in the wiper motor is fed by the red/white wire coming from the limit switch ? Which side of the limit switch is the wire that your using ? One side is hot 24/7 and the other side is only hot when the wiper door is in the up position.

Was the yellow before you cut it hot when the key was on and cold when the key was off ?

 

ok when i originally started this post, my problem was that my red/white wasnt connected and the wipers worked fine. Then i found out that the motor isnt for a 68-72, do i cut the yellow wire going to the power, and ran the red/white wire to my main power(yellow) input for the motor connector. Then i adjusted the wipers and as i was doing that, they just started to run, with my hands in the area tightening the nuts. Now the wipers will turn on when the door opens(becuase the limit switch is completed) and the wipers run on INTERMEDIATE SPEED ONLY. No input from the switch seems to make a difference. Could the motor be grounding internally, because it started doing it when i was placing the connecting rod onto the back pawl on the wiper motor.

 

I doubt that its an internal ground. When you put the lever on you probably moved the motor out of park and the motor then needed to cycle a full turn to get back to park.
At this point I think you should remove all the wires from the motor including the ground so we can separate the car wiring from the wiper.
Put the wiper door in the up position and remove the small vacuum hose from the wiper vacuum relay.
Attach a new separate ground wire from the engine to the wiper motor.
Now using the Willcox bench test procedure run the motor through its paces so we can confirm it is mechanically OK.
Run a hot lead to the center terminal . ( where the yellow was )
Now ground the terminal that the lt blue wire was on. wiper should run on high
Remove the ground from the lt blue terminal and see if the wipers park
Now reattach the ground to the lt blue terminal-(wipers on high)
Now jumper a wire from the green wire terminal to the lt blue terminal and the wipers should go down to low speed
If all this works correctly then the wiper motor is OK and we have to move to the car wiring.

 

Ace,

Did you ever get a chance to pull the washer pump off the car and see if the park was pawl was stuck? The only reason I kept going back to this is the constant speeed of the motor now. When the motor is trying to park, it will only run at one speed. . .

I would still follow Rogers suggestions first. This will rule out the motor as the cause or tell you if the motor is the problem.

W

 

i have done this test and the motor worked. I will get a chance to look at the motor this weekend hopefully, and see if it is allowing it to park.

 

Ace let me add one more step.
At any point while the motor is running remove the hot lead going to the center terminal to confirm that it will stop using this terminal.

 

hey guys, sorry i havent been able to work on the car for a bit, i have been busy, and i have a couple car shows to attend to so i dont have time to take the cover off the motor this weekend, im hoping during this week i will get time to work on it. Is there any way i can isolate the relay to see if it is the problem. I dont think it is an internal ground either now that i think about it, because the motor ran fine when i tested it using the willcox website.

 

Check the 2nd paragraph of my #46 post , I believe this will isolate the relay.