cleaning piston ring lands
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Drifting
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From: springtown Texas
cleaning piston ring lands
i got my motor back from the machine shop and am ready to start assembling the motor. problem is the pistons, whats a good way of cleaning the ring lands on my pistons. the old rings were stuck in the pistons. the tops of the pistons and ring lands have carbon buildup. not that much in the ring lands but the rings would hardly budge. i got all the old rings out (in pieces) and am ready to install the new rings. what about soaking th pistons in laquer thinner for a day or so. would that dissolve the carbon without hurting anything?
Melting Slicks
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Has your machine shop seen those pistons, and did they recommend their re-use? I ask because not only do the pistons need to fit the bores I am certain the shop prepared for you... sight unseen is unheard of... but those pistons need to be in good shape for re-use. If so, the easiest way to clean the ring grooves is with a bit of a broken ring... be careful, go slow and don't twist the ring which widens the groove, or let it escape the groove and scratch the outside. Personally, I would never re-use a set of slugs which had oxidized enough to seize the rings....
Melting Slicks
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I agree with both posts. What exactly did the shop do to the block. If only a bath and buff then go ahead and re-use the pistons, provided they go back where they came from. Broken rings are a good clean tool.
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Be VERY careful cleaning ring lands. Ring seal is created between the ring and the bottom of the ring land. If it's all scarred and scratched up you're going to have a smoker.
JIM
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For $20 why not use the correct tool? Be careful- it IS possible to cut the top off a piston.
http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/lis24000.html
http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/lis24000.html
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I'm hesitant to jump into the fray, but what exactly did the machine shop do?
If the bore wear was such that you can reuse the existing pistons, I'd still mask off the lands and glass bead them. I've also used a ring chunk as a scraper - I've actually never seen the tool linked other than in factory service manuals. But, I can't remember the last time I reused a piston given the price of a set of cast pistons.
GS977, recognize that no one's being critical here - you just made a request for information that leads to other questions
If the bore wear was such that you can reuse the existing pistons, I'd still mask off the lands and glass bead them. I've also used a ring chunk as a scraper - I've actually never seen the tool linked other than in factory service manuals. But, I can't remember the last time I reused a piston given the price of a set of cast pistons.
GS977, recognize that no one's being critical here - you just made a request for information that leads to other questions
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If you have aluminum pistons, you need to be very careful when using 'broken' piece of piston ring to clean the grooves. The bottom of the grooves has a radius at each end of the inner seal land. If your square-edged piece of ring cuts into those radii, you will create a stress riser which will greatly weaken the strength of the piston. Under heavy load, such a stress riser can propagate a small crack and the top of the piston can snap off. Use the proper tool after you have soaked all of the crud out...or at least loosened it up. Also, some paint strippers/solvents are very damaging to aluminum. Select your 'cleaner' wisely.
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if indeed your pistons and rings are in that bad of shape....i would really question the clearance of the new rings in the old ring lands..if sloppy , you will be doing this repair again....buy new slugs...is the machine shop aware of this issue??.....
ps. if indeed the old slugs are servicable and you have never done this before, then buy a groove cleaning tool, if you have never used an old ring to do this, don't try learning now...jmo..experience is critical here!
ps. if indeed the old slugs are servicable and you have never done this before, then buy a groove cleaning tool, if you have never used an old ring to do this, don't try learning now...jmo..experience is critical here!
Last edited by midyearvette; Aug 4, 2009 at 11:22 AM.
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When rebuilding our outboard drag motors we would use easy-off oven cleaner on the pistons, works pretty good. Tape the piston off and spray the ring groves, let them soak until you see the carbon dissolving, let sit a little longer and rinse.
The ring groves are critical, they need to be flat and true.
We would spend hours working on rings, we had a piece of granite ground flat to face the rings. You would be surprised at the deflection of the ring when squeezed into the bore.
I agree with Jim, be careful if using another piece of an old ring. I would not recomend it.
Neal
The ring groves are critical, they need to be flat and true.
We would spend hours working on rings, we had a piece of granite ground flat to face the rings. You would be surprised at the deflection of the ring when squeezed into the bore.
I agree with Jim, be careful if using another piece of an old ring. I would not recomend it.
Neal
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Drifting
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From: springtown Texas
thanks for the help guys. i used oven cleaner and a brillo pad and a piece of old ring and the pistons came out looking new. the pistons just needed to be cleaned. it was a low mile crate motor. the machine shop said the block looked good. no ridge or scrathes in the cylinders. they just honed it for the new rings. and put new cam bearings in. they said the pistons looked fine also. they polished the crank, it looked fine also. i also got a set of 1990 l-98 corette aluminum heads, they did a valve job, surfaced them, set up the new springs,ret, locks, and seals. the guides were fine they said. new rod and main bearings.
i've never used cast pistons before but this motor will only make @ 300hp and there was nothing wrong with the pistons so it would of been a waste to not reuse them.
this is what i have, what do you guys think of this combo? how much hp am i looking at. i think @290-320 chp
std bore 350
@9.5-1 comp ?
1990 stock l-98 vette alum heads 58cc
comp cams pro magnum 1.65 rr
isky 270 mega cam .465/.465 221/221@.050 108 lc @ 1.5 rockers i have 1.65s so it will be .511/.511 and a couple more degrees duration.
cloyes true dr chain
edelbrock perf rpm intake
barry grant 750 dp
new 700r4 trans with @1500-1800 stall conv
this is going to be pretty much a dd with a/c 82 vette.
i've never used cast pistons before but this motor will only make @ 300hp and there was nothing wrong with the pistons so it would of been a waste to not reuse them.
this is what i have, what do you guys think of this combo? how much hp am i looking at. i think @290-320 chp
std bore 350
@9.5-1 comp ?
1990 stock l-98 vette alum heads 58cc
comp cams pro magnum 1.65 rr
isky 270 mega cam .465/.465 221/221@.050 108 lc @ 1.5 rockers i have 1.65s so it will be .511/.511 and a couple more degrees duration.
cloyes true dr chain
edelbrock perf rpm intake
barry grant 750 dp
new 700r4 trans with @1500-1800 stall conv
this is going to be pretty much a dd with a/c 82 vette.
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Drifting
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From: springtown Texas
ok i'm just going to get new pistons. which ones? my heads are aluminum 58cc and i want to run 89 octane pump. whats the most comp i can run. i'm just want cast or hyperuetetic ?sp
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