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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 05:43 PM
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Just tried to order a few simples parts from Summit- Holley throttlebody screws #5R-567, Summit number HLY-26-7 and they can't get them anymore from Holley. Tried a bunch of other stuff too... HLY-20-31... no go.

Contacted Summit customer service, and they responded that they can no longer obtain the stuff. What's up with that??

I am aware of Chicago Corvette... but I'm not too crazy about ordering Holley parts from them... I usually order my Holley repair parts along with a large "speed equipment" order to consolidate S&H charges... can't do that with Chicago Corvette. They don't sell what I need.

Anybody got a good (meaning reasonable & reliable with an 800 number) source for Holley replacement parts that is also a speed equipment vendor?
I'll bet Jegs can't get the stuff anymore either... hmmmmm......

What's going on here?


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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 05:45 PM
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I would try JEGS...They are my favorite Aftermarket parts vendor
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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 08:24 PM
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I would try JEGS...They are my favorite Aftermarket parts vendor
I agree it can't hurt to at least call Jegs and check with them.
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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 01:01 AM
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Called Jegs.... NFG.

Me thinks something is fishy here.

Throttle-body screws not available to the public?

Guess I'll have to start making my own. It won't be the first time I've manufactured a part that Holley is hiding.

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The Holley screw is 12-24 by 1" OAL, 3/4" thread, fillister/philips head, captive lockwasher
http://www.mcmaster.com/

has 12-24 by 1" (3/4 thread) Stainless, fillister/slotted head, no captive lock washer for $14.76/100

My new source for Holley screws.



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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 02:18 AM
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Default Re: Holley/Summit divorce? (Tom454)

Interesting....Summit & Holley had a battle a year or two ago because Holley said that Summit was selling their carbs too cheap. Summit responded by raising catalog prices but then offering coupon discounts to offset the difference. My first thought was that this was the reason for your problem but, since Jegs can't get them either, maybe there's something else going on.
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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 10:03 AM
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Since I can't really understand why they are doing this, it has to be a decision made my bean counters and upper level management. I guess they think that is going to allow them to control the prices better. All it is going to do is **** people off and give Barry Grant more business. Demon, here I come!
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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 10:10 AM
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Maybe they think that if you can't get the parts to repair the carb, you'll just buy a new one..... Marketing at it's finest.
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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 05:18 PM
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Hey Tom, I was gonna ask if you had tried McMaster, if you no the spec you need they are a great company. Just about everything you could ever need, resonable prices and great service. I've usually gotten what I order from them in a couple of days and never had a problem with there stuff. Glad you found what you needed.

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Try one of these places, they have worked well for me.
http://www.holleypartsforsale.com/
http://www.holleyparts.com/ (Braswell's parts site. If they don't have it, not worth putting on a Holley anyway)

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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 06:48 PM
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This maybe of the mark, but everytime i've needed a simple part for a holley, i just went to NAPA or Auto Zone.
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Old Feb 22, 2002 | 12:41 PM
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Nope. They only sell carb kits, needle/seat kits, and occasionally secondary throttle control diaphrams at auto parts stores. The small parts such as special thread/length screws, choke links, and other parts which have a large degree of variance from carb to carb (not cost effective for an autoparts store to stock) can only be purchased from Holley, through one of their approved vendors. I think the above post about forcing us to buy whole carbs instead of parts is the answer.... marketing.

Since Holley has a "Restoration Shop", it is obvious that they still produce the old parts... they're just not letting us buy them. Time to go elsewhere for our toys? Hmmm.... that DFI/Accel Big Block Fuel Injection is starting to look mighty good...
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Default Re: Holley/Summit divorce? (Tom454)

If you need Holley parts, try http://www.parkercarburation.com

Earl Parker Jr. is an old carb tuner and has spent many a year in various racing circles, including NASCAR. He is the most easy going and helpful person I've talked to. I bought a couple carb parts from him for cheap. I had some problems so he gave me his # and had me call him. I talked to him for about and hour! And I spent only about $20 with him before that.

Get in touch with him and let him know what you need!

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If you need Holley parts, try http://www.parkercarburation.com

Earl Parker Jr. is an old carb tuner and has spent many a year in various racing circles, including NASCAR. He is the most easy going and helpful person I've talked to. I bought a couple carb parts from him for cheap. I had some problems so he gave me his # and had me call him. I talked to him for about and hour! And I spent only about $20 with him before that.

Get in touch with him and let him know what you need!

Dave
Dave's post reminded me of a local carb guru who has helped me twice w/ no charge- great guy who's not out to clean your wallet. Let me if you are still having problems getting your parts & I'll check w/ him.
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Old Feb 22, 2002 | 07:48 PM
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Thanks for the suggestions guys... but I guess I need to clarify things...

I buy in quantity as a "rebuilder"... lots of 50 or 100....

One'sies & two'sies I can find at swap meets.

I need to purchase new stock... can't install "used" parts on customers carbs.
Sorry for the confusion. Buying parts from other mechanics is like WalMart buying from KMart.. not cost effective.
I used to have a commercial account directly with Holley until they decided to "go big" and "dis" us small guys.

I just ordered 100 count 12-24 fillister head screws (throttle body screws) etc etc from another source... done deal.

Thanks anyways.

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Old Feb 22, 2002 | 09:27 PM
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Perhaps it has something to do with their attempt to cut off outfits that were using their parts to build carbs that were sold in competition with their own. They sued Barry Grant a few years ago and cut him off when his "Holley's" carbs began to sell in large numbers. End result was Grant's Demon line.
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Old Feb 23, 2002 | 09:30 PM
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I was at advanced auto yesterday and they said that they were out of Holley parts right now, but in about 2 weeks they were going to have a whole section of Holley parts. :confused:
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Old Feb 24, 2002 | 09:39 AM
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Yup. The Advance Autoparts stores around me also have a wall of Holley parts.... and I go there constantly.

However..

There is a big difference between "generic" Holley parts that fit "most" 4150, 4160 and 4500 series carbs, and "replacement" parts.

When Advance gets their "wall" of parts filled back up, go back in there and ask for:
throttle-body screws for a LIST# 4779-4 model 4150 carb, Holley part number 5R-567 (also Holley part #26-7), or,
throttle lever & shaft assembly for a LIST# 4056-1 model 2300 carb, Holley part number 10R-1501A, or,
fuel bowls for a LIST# 3659 model 2300 carb, Holley part number 34R-5643.
(print this & take it with you)

Let us all know how you make out.

The first thing I'll bet you hear is "Those are not valid Holley part numbers."
That is usually when I leave and go to the next store until I can find someone with some brains who can look up parts without a computer mouse.

Those part numbers are valid Holley part numbers, taken directly from official Holley catalogs, which I have been ordering consistently for over 20 years, at times directly from Holley. I can show you invoices from Holley.

In the recent past, since Holley stopped doing business directly with the "little guys" (me), I have been able to provide Summit with such part numbers, and they responded with a Summit part number which I then used to order the parts from Summit, along with whatever else I needed at the time. This way, I was not paying $8 shipping (disguised as handling) for a $1 part.
Summit & Jegs sell a lot of Holley products... they should have access to the full line of Holley replacement parts as well so that we can order Holley replacement parts along with our other parts needs.

Chicago Corvette has a wide variety of replacement Holley carb parts... but they also send "sub-standard" parts in place of genuine Holley parts. I have received throttle shafts from them that were .003 thinner than the Holley originals, and therefore were already loose in the throttle body.... useless. I have received plastic parts where the original Holley part is brass. The plastic part warped in no time. Again... useless. Try ordering a set of .030 over Keith Black Hypereutectic pistons from Chicago Corvette to make the S&H on your order cost effective. I have no problems with Chicago Corvette in general, but I need to combine my Holley parts orders with other stuff which they do not carry.

Bottom line... unless we send our carbs to Holley to get them rebuilt ($$$), I don't think Holley wants to help us out anymore. Since both Summit & Jegs cannot get #26-7 throttle body screws (around since dirt was invented), I suspect it is Holley that is pulling the strings.
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