69 Vette
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From: Decatur Alabama
69 Vette
Hey guys,
I need your opinion. I have a 69 survivor that is completely original with 63K miles. It is a 350/300 convertible with the Saginaw three speed transmission. It is in very, very good condition but does show the overall signs of wear of a car its age. Is the car more or less desirable as is or should completely restored to look new?
Thanks
I need your opinion. I have a 69 survivor that is completely original with 63K miles. It is a 350/300 convertible with the Saginaw three speed transmission. It is in very, very good condition but does show the overall signs of wear of a car its age. Is the car more or less desirable as is or should completely restored to look new?
Thanks
Race Director
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From: Sierra Foothills CA
You'll get plenty of opinions here but it would sure help if you posted pics. Your best answer would probably come from the NCRS crowd- Google NCRS and it'll be at the top of the page. There were a lot of base motor cars made but not many with the 3 speed trans, so in that respect the car is somewhat rare but I honestly don't know if that would add any value.
Le Mans Master
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From: Ann Arbor Michigan
According to the Collector Car Market Review site, it's a 10% reduction if it has the 3 speed manual. Make the car what YOU want it to be and enjoy it.
Gary
1969 CHEVROLET CORVETTE 350-300hp (8cyl-4V) AT
Condition #5 #4 #3 #2 #1
Roadster 5825 11125 17950 24300 36275
Coupe 4300 8100 14000 19625 28150
Add:
350-350hp (8cyl-4V) 5%
427-390hp V8-L36 30%
427-400hp (3x2V)L68 60%
427-435 (3x2V) L71 75%
427-L89 (alum heads) 85%
427-L88 500%
4spd manual trans 8%
Air conditioning 10%
Power windows 3%
Hardtop 5%
Side exhaust 5%
Transistor ign 2%
F-41 suspension 2%
AM-FM stereo 2%
Tilt/Tele wheel 2%
Deduct:
3spd manual transmission -10%
Manual steering -3%
Gary
1969 CHEVROLET CORVETTE 350-300hp (8cyl-4V) AT
Condition #5 #4 #3 #2 #1
Roadster 5825 11125 17950 24300 36275
Coupe 4300 8100 14000 19625 28150
Add:
350-350hp (8cyl-4V) 5%
427-390hp V8-L36 30%
427-400hp (3x2V)L68 60%
427-435 (3x2V) L71 75%
427-L89 (alum heads) 85%
427-L88 500%
4spd manual trans 8%
Air conditioning 10%
Power windows 3%
Hardtop 5%
Side exhaust 5%
Transistor ign 2%
F-41 suspension 2%
AM-FM stereo 2%
Tilt/Tele wheel 2%
Deduct:
3spd manual transmission -10%
Manual steering -3%
Team Owner
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From: Westminster Maryland
Hi NV,
You may have a very interesting car!!!!
The term "Survivor" is the name of an award given by 'Bloomington Gold'.
An award 'similar' to that is the NCRS 'BowTie' Award. The Bowtie candidate cars are only judged at the NCRS National Convention each year. The car must be seen at another meet and be invited to come to the Convention to be judged.
If you go to the NCRS website you can find the information about the award and see if your car might be a candidate. The cars are judged in 4 areas, (like Flight Judging, but with different criteria), Exterior, Interior, Chassis, and Mechanical.
As I said, IF you car really is 'original', it would be great for people to see it.
Regards,
Alan
PS: Some people love an untouched car and others love a great restored car. While still others love a modified car. The thing that draws them all together is that word CAR!
You may have a very interesting car!!!!
The term "Survivor" is the name of an award given by 'Bloomington Gold'.
An award 'similar' to that is the NCRS 'BowTie' Award. The Bowtie candidate cars are only judged at the NCRS National Convention each year. The car must be seen at another meet and be invited to come to the Convention to be judged.
If you go to the NCRS website you can find the information about the award and see if your car might be a candidate. The cars are judged in 4 areas, (like Flight Judging, but with different criteria), Exterior, Interior, Chassis, and Mechanical.
As I said, IF you car really is 'original', it would be great for people to see it.
Regards,
Alan
PS: Some people love an untouched car and others love a great restored car. While still others love a modified car. The thing that draws them all together is that word CAR!
Last edited by Alan 71; Apr 3, 2010 at 12:39 PM.
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Everyone's given you good advice. It wouldn't hurt to have it judged just to get a baseline - then you'll have an idea of which way you want to go. Post pics - love to see it!
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Hey guys,
I need your opinion. I have a 69 survivor that is completely original with 63K miles. It is a 350/300 convertible with the Saginaw three speed transmission. It is in very, very good condition but does show the overall signs of wear of a car its age. Is the car more or less desirable as is or should completely restored to look new?
Thanks
I need your opinion. I have a 69 survivor that is completely original with 63K miles. It is a 350/300 convertible with the Saginaw three speed transmission. It is in very, very good condition but does show the overall signs of wear of a car its age. Is the car more or less desirable as is or should completely restored to look new?
Thanks
Team Owner
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From: Huntersville NC
I was just thinking that today at a car show. They keep making more and more restored cars, and the original ones become fewer and fewer. I really enjoy looking at an original car, even if it shows some wear, vs a so-called restored car which usually consists of a bunch of replacement parts of questionable quality made in China. But it is your car to do what you want. It might be worthwhile (and fun) to take it to an NCRS meet to confirm its originality. You can exhaust the car's potential as an unrestored original, then mod/restore it to your heart's content. You can't go in the other direction.
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From: Crossville TN
The answer to your question can only be provided by you. It boils down to whether you want your car to look like a worn and aging...but untouched/unaltered...original-condition car OR if you want it to look 'purty'. Most of us choose the latter option; but a few folks get tremendous joy out of having/driving/showing a car that has not been altered from its original condition: no paint touch-ups, no interior repairs or re-dyes, all accessories and components rebuilt rather than exchanged. Obviously, most of these survivors have replacement U-joints, bearings, exhaust systems, hoses, belts, filters and other 'maintenance' items, but nothing more. If you are one of those people, test the waters at the NCRS and Bloomington events. Your car sounds like a potential candidate for survivor status.
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Thanks for the input
I appreciate the feedback. I will try and post some better pics. Being a newby, sorry if I went in the wrong forum to ask this. So I'll know better next time, which would be the correct forum?
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"what can I make off this thing" aspect of this hobby? There's plenty of wheeler/dealer types in the General and the For Sale sections to talk to about money if that's your angle for owning a Corvette.
FWIW, my '69 (numbers matching) has similar mileage (69k), and yet I could give a rats rear what it's worth is to a large group of people I've never met before. My car is used like a sports car was designed to be used for: going fast on winding roads (and as often as I can, road courses). Other people's monetary opinions don't make it go any faster or handle any better.
Just a guy here who bought this car for the driving experience.
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I may be a simpleton.............I only read YOUR post as $$. not to OP's
As far as YMMV I really dont care I just thought it was like IMHO or LOL or IIRC. I dont spend much time on forums. I am to busy building a 1968 Z06.
Besides that why not just click the mouse and look at another thread if you don't like it?
As far as YMMV I really dont care I just thought it was like IMHO or LOL or IIRC. I dont spend much time on forums. I am to busy building a 1968 Z06.
Besides that why not just click the mouse and look at another thread if you don't like it?
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From: Tulsa OK
I don't think it is an exclusionary thing. We all love our cars, but they are major investments as well. Everyone is curious about value (well apparently not 69427, but most of us anyway). I would say there are lots of reasons to love corvettes:
1. Performance
2. Nostalgia
3. Fun to tinker and modify or restore
4. Financial/investment
probably lots of others as well...
As to the original question: this is a very difficult decision. The purists would say leave it original. As stated, original cars are becoming very rare, and restored cars can be dubious in quality. An original car is only good if it is in excellent shape, however. No one admires an old rust bucket with ripped seats and a smoking knocking motor
1. Performance
2. Nostalgia
3. Fun to tinker and modify or restore
4. Financial/investment
probably lots of others as well...
As to the original question: this is a very difficult decision. The purists would say leave it original. As stated, original cars are becoming very rare, and restored cars can be dubious in quality. An original car is only good if it is in excellent shape, however. No one admires an old rust bucket with ripped seats and a smoking knocking motor