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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 11:37 AM
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Can someone tell me the actual function of the Transmission Controlled Spark switch?
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 12:18 PM
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The one on the transmission ?
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 12:24 PM
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I'm betting he means the solenoid. I have never figured out how it works.

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The switch on the transmission is there to 'tell' the TCS system when it is in high gear ranges (3rd for auto; 3 & 4 for manual). The TCS system is functional [retards engine ignition so engine runs hotter and burns off more hydrocarbons] at idle and low cruise speeds; the tranny switch turns the system "OFF" at upper gear range(s).
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 01:29 PM
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The TCS simply does not allow the distributor vacuum advance to work in 1st and 2nd gears when the engine is operating within its normal temperature range. The solonoid essentually keeps the vacuum signal from getting through.
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 02:08 PM
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There is also an additional sensor/switch ***'y mounted on the passenger side cylinder head. This component allows manifold vacuum to reach the distributor during either high or low coolant temp conditions irrespective of all other conditions.

The entire system was filled with a 70% solution of PFM* on both the pneumatic and electrical sides prior to leaving the factory thereby ensuring future generations would be baffled by it's true function and purpose.









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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 08:05 PM
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The TCS is one of the mysteries of the automotive universe. I gave up trying. Strangely my car runs well without it .
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by paul 74
The TCS is one of the mysteries of the automotive universe. I gave up trying. Strangely my car runs well without it .
Don't mean to hijack.

I have also wondered if my 75 auto with Holley 600 would run better if I had a TCS set up. I was not given all the parts when I bought the car. I got a RPM Performer intake and used one of the 600 Holleys the guy had attached to a double pumper. The vacuum line to the tranny is metal and was rigged up from the carb. The car always seems to never get out of 2nd. Did 75 change something or is it the same as your 74?
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 09:06 PM
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The TCS system will not make any engine system run 'better'. It was there strictly for emissions control purposes. It caused the engine to run hotter than it needed, used more fuel than it needed, and confused more folks than did Salvadore Dali.
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
The entire system was filled with a 70% solution of PFM* on both the pneumatic and electrical sides prior to leaving the factory thereby ensuring future generations would be baffled by it's true function and purpose.









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Mike, you slay me. That's the best explanation yet!

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Actually, I equate the TCS system to the C5 skip shift system because they both are easily defeated by using more fuel.

With the TCS system WOT causes it to allow vacuum advance and with skip shift just don't shift until you reach 20 mph (a short trip in any Corvette).

Personally, I bypassed my TCS system preferring to stick with my 8 mpg instead of flooring it all the time.

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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 01:04 AM
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The best part is when the pressure switch on the side of the trans decides to leak. A TH350 in 3rd will pump dry in less time than you think. and it spits fluid right out on the exhaust too.
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Originally Posted by Dan6572
Don't mean to hijack.

I have also wondered if my 75 auto with Holley 600 would run better if I had a TCS set up. I was not given all the parts when I bought the car. I got a RPM Performer intake and used one of the 600 Holleys the guy had attached to a double pumper. The vacuum line to the tranny is metal and was rigged up from the carb. The car always seems to never get out of 2nd. Did 75 change something or is it the same as your 74?
I am not familiar with the 1975. The line to the transmission is rubber and connects to the manifold fitting shown in my picture above. This picture shows it as well. No comment on that 90* adaptor other than to say that without it the vacuum line for general purposes kinks. So I pulled a Bubba.

I can't see how adding a TCS would improve your runnability. But again, as above, I can't figure it out so perhaps I am off-base.

As for not shifting into third, automatic transmissions are too complex for my mind to grasp.

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Originally Posted by CCrane72
With the TCS system WOT causes it to allow vacuum advance and with skip shift just don't shift until you reach 20 mph (a short trip in any Corvette).

Personally, I bypassed my TCS system preferring to stick with my 8 mpg instead of flooring it all the time.

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Cliff, I am not following you wrt WOT. On my 70 Lt-1 manual transmission, there is no sensor to detect WOT. So, If you are in 1st or second gear and floor it, no vacuum advance. Ok, not much impact here at WOT since your system vacuum falls dramatically and as you rev mechanical advance dominates

TCS is a terrible and archaic way of controlling timing. The only reason I have it on the LT-1 is to satisfy the originality buffs. I don't tell them that I secretly by passed the damn thing.

I am a EFI zealot, so if you think about it, an engine is calibrated to have an optimum fuel and advance setting given a MAP/RPM condition (i.e map cell). It's tough enough to get an accurate timing setting trying to combine vac and mech advance on the old distributors across the map, let alone adding another factor to change the setting depending on what gear you are in. Its a built in error that cannot be accounted for. Performance suffers.

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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 11:59 AM
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The one on the transmission ?
Are/Is there more then one of these things ?
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 12:02 PM
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Are/Is there more then one of these things ?
Some refer to the sensor in the pass head as a sensor/switch. It has a low temp and high temp switch in it.
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 12:12 PM
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You have:
-the TCS solenoid on the intake with manifold and ported vacuum spouts
-the vacuum advance can connecting to the above
-a temp switch/sensor between cylinders 6 and 8 in the passenger cylinder head
-a switch on the transmission
-some kind of delay switch on the firewall (I have never found it)

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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 02:50 PM
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Always a relief to know I did not ask a stupid question to begin this thread. In short, I am surmising from the thread that if I just forget about whether mine is working or not, I should not detect a problem at idle as a result.
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Well, that's hard to tell. With TCS 'active', there will be no vacuum advance in lower gear ranges. Of course, at WOT, there is no vacuum..so that's no big deal. Most folks who want to leave the hardware on the engine, just "manipulate" a couple of hoses so that the vacuum can is hooked up directly to a manifold vacuum fitting on the carb for 'normal' operation. Then, for shows or other 'originality' needs, switch the hoses so that the vacuum feed line goes into the TCS solenoid and the advace can line goes to the other solenoid connection. (what the other poster called "by-passing" the system)
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Well, that's hard to tell. With TCS 'active', there will be no vacuum advance in lower gear ranges. Of course, at WOT, there is no vacuum..so that's no big deal. Most folks who want to leave the hardware on the engine, just "manipulate" a couple of hoses so that the vacuum can is hooked up directly to a manifold vacuum fitting on the carb for 'normal' operation. Then, for shows or other 'originality' needs, switch the hoses so that the vacuum feed line goes into the TCS solenoid and the advace can line goes to the other solenoid connection. (what the other poster called "by-passing" the system)
Exactly. Or for smog police visuals.
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