Paint Code ZQ4
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Paint Code ZQ4
There is a 69 Vette on ebay right now with a trim tag that has ZQ4 for both Paint and Trim. I know that ZQ4 is standard black vinyl trim, but what is a ZQ4 Paint Code?
I searched and could not find any information.
If this was a miss-print of the trim tag, would there be any way to establish what the original color was?
What is the Paint Code for a special order color?
I searched and could not find any information.
If this was a miss-print of the trim tag, would there be any way to establish what the original color was?
What is the Paint Code for a special order color?
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Hi,
The sales info indicates black for the exterior color.
Shouldn't the code be 900?
Regards,
Alan
With the body as apart as it is there might be some hints of the original color. For instance it can sometimes be seen UNDER the black-out in the wiper bay.
The sales info indicates black for the exterior color.
Shouldn't the code be 900?
Regards,
Alan
With the body as apart as it is there might be some hints of the original color. For instance it can sometimes be seen UNDER the black-out in the wiper bay.
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....if that tag is real, and there are people who do know how to tell a fake from an original one, it'd be a 
thing to have on a C3 bumper Corvette.
...might be a tough sell trying to prove it though without proper documentation.
...it's only an hour & a half drive from me. Hmmmmmm, would be neat to check out. I'm no tag expert, but I've seen my fair share and I "might" be able to tell. I've been to several NCRS Judging Schools on trim tags so who knows?
thing to have on a C3 bumper Corvette....might be a tough sell trying to prove it though without proper documentation.
...it's only an hour & a half drive from me. Hmmmmmm, would be neat to check out. I'm no tag expert, but I've seen my fair share and I "might" be able to tell. I've been to several NCRS Judging Schools on trim tags so who knows?
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I'll guess that every judge on the field would want to have a close up view of the trim tag having never seen one like this before. There will be great discussion as to whether it's real or not. If it's thought that the tag is bogus, then the rules say that the car is be excluded from further judging. If it's thought that the tag is real, then judging will continue.
My thought is that since there's no colour called ZQ4, the car could be presented in any standard colour available in that year and benefit of the doubt would go to the owner.
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.....I also think that there is a great possibility that the tag is indeed genuine, after all, who'd go to all the trouble to make a "phony-phony" tag?...also the ZQ4 color does stand for Black Vinyl, so maybe for that "one" tag the person making the tag made a mistake thinking ZQ4 for Black paint color. Maybe there's also a few more out there???
...kinda like the '67 smallblocks that were made with bigblock hoods for a day or two.
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From my experience, the owner would have to provide proof of what the original color was. It would probably take a tank sticker or other documentation, to prove what color the car was originally painted.
It's doubtful that the NCRS would except the car in any regular production color. The Judging Reference Manual says in the trim tag section that in the case of "an exterior paint code such as "SPEC." or "SPECIAL",.......it will be the sole responsibility of the owner to provide satisfactory documentation to the judges which confirms the color or finish applied at the factory,......or the deduction under color change will apply." I know that the Reference Manual does say in the Controversies section that "benefit of the doubt shall go to the owner", but I'm not sure it would apply to a trim tag.
It would be interesting to see how it was handled. That tag is why Roy Sinor earns those big bucks as the head National Judging for the NCRS.
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I think this car would cause all kinds of trouble for the owner, in NCRS judging.
From my experience, the owner would have to provide proof of what the original color was. It would probably take a tank sticker or other documentation, to prove what color the car was originally painted.
It's doubtful that the NCRS would except (sic) the car in any regular production color. The Judging Reference Manual says in the trim tag section that in the case of "an exterior paint code such as "SPEC." or "SPECIAL",.......it will be the sole responsibility of the owner to provide satisfactory documentation to the judges which confirms the color or finish applied at the factory,......or the deduction under color change will apply." I know that the Reference Manual does say in the Controversies section that "benefit of the doubt shall go to the owner", but I'm not sure it would apply to a trim tag.
It would be interesting to see how it was handled. That tag is why Roy Sinor earns those big bucks as the head National Judging for the NCRS.
From my experience, the owner would have to provide proof of what the original color was. It would probably take a tank sticker or other documentation, to prove what color the car was originally painted.
It's doubtful that the NCRS would except (sic) the car in any regular production color. The Judging Reference Manual says in the trim tag section that in the case of "an exterior paint code such as "SPEC." or "SPECIAL",.......it will be the sole responsibility of the owner to provide satisfactory documentation to the judges which confirms the color or finish applied at the factory,......or the deduction under color change will apply." I know that the Reference Manual does say in the Controversies section that "benefit of the doubt shall go to the owner", but I'm not sure it would apply to a trim tag.
It would be interesting to see how it was handled. That tag is why Roy Sinor earns those big bucks as the head National Judging for the NCRS.
It is true that when a car shows up with a regular trim tag code and paint colour that don't match (there's a black '63 convertible around here with a yellow trim tag) supporting documentation must be provided- but that's when the tag shows a paint colour that actually exists. In this case the tag shows a 'gobbledygook' code that does not equate to any colour in any year.
I'd be surprised to see that any judge would enough of a hard a*s as to want to see additional paperwork. I sure wouldn't.
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Hi,
The few times I've been involved with an owner presenting "documentation" has been disappointing.
The owners had copies of pages from judging manuals and other publications describing a car that they considered
"documentation".
They didn't have any 'documentation' that the particular car they were presenting was one of the cars described in the manuals and publications.
It appeared the car had been 'built' to MATCH the published "documentation"
No fun for ANYONE!!!!
Regards,
Alan
The few times I've been involved with an owner presenting "documentation" has been disappointing.
The owners had copies of pages from judging manuals and other publications describing a car that they considered
"documentation".
They didn't have any 'documentation' that the particular car they were presenting was one of the cars described in the manuals and publications.
It appeared the car had been 'built' to MATCH the published "documentation"
No fun for ANYONE!!!!
Regards,
Alan
