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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 08:55 AM
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1974 vette (350, auto, p/s). When turning left (full lock) the steering becomes very sticky and does not return by itself. Any ideas?
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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 11:56 AM
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Install narrower front tires? But, if the tires aren't rubbing, one (or more) of the steering ballstuds may be badly worn and binding up when it goes to full-lock position. Put front end on jack stands, remove the wheels, and watch the steering components' action as the wheel is turned throughout its operating range. If you see two components that don't appear to work together as they should, that may be your problem. You can also check ball joint condition (with the tires installed) by checking side-to-side and up-to-down movement of the wheels.
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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 12:21 PM
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the simplest thing to check is the rag joint where your steering column shaft mates to the input shaft of the gear box. check that. mine was ripped and causing it to become very sticky and bind at certain places when turning
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I have now replaced the rag joint. Unfortunately, the problem persists. Someone mentioned that I might need to balance the power steering control valve. Does that sound plausible to you?
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Old Jul 5, 2011 | 09:49 AM
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I have now replaced the rag joint. Unfortunately, the problem persists. Someone mentioned that I might need to balance the power steering control valve. Does that sound plausible to you?
I would check the balance, but if it doesnt pull when centered, its not likely the cause. The most likely cause would be a binding or kinking of hoses or valve on the frame at full turn. Check it to see if anything is binding or touching the frame. Check it with the car on the ground.
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I have a friend with the same problem as you.

Did you ever resolve this?
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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 05:17 PM
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I had a similiar problem with my steering. Turns out my oil dipstick tube was loose and the dipstick was hitting my rag joint. Could check that.

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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 03:45 AM
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any weird or funny noises when that happens? does it do it at all when fully locking to the right?
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 04:57 AM
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I have a friend with the same problem as you.

Did you ever resolve this?
I did not.
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I had a similiar problem with my steering. Turns out my oil dipstick tube was loose and the dipstick was hitting my rag joint. Could check that.

John
Wow. This is certainly a possibility. I will have to check this out asap. I'll keep you posted.
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Originally Posted by cviola2005
any weird or funny noises when that happens? does it do it at all when fully locking to the right?
No noises - just very sticky. Only on full left lock. Full right lock is smooth.
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tarzan,
Sounds like your 37 year old steering components are starting to show their age. If you replace or recondition the box, ram and control valve, you'll have spent well over a grand, nearer to two if you send them stateside.

I would recommend you consider a Borgeson integral power steering box that has the control valve and ram built in to it. I have one in my '74 and it made the world of difference. The Vette steers like a new car and has none of the full boost wander that most old Vettes have.

Contact Pro Steer Down Under www.pro-steer.com.au on info@allvet.com.au and get the good oil.

Hope this helps.

Regards from Down Under.

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tarzan,
Sounds like your 37 year old steering components are starting to show their age. If you replace or recondition the box, ram and control valve, you'll have spent well over a grand, nearer to two if you send them stateside.

I would recommend you consider a Borgeson integral power steering box that has the control valve and ram built in to it. I have one in my '74 and it made the world of difference. The Vette steers like a new car and has none of the full boost wander that most old Vettes have.

Contact Pro Steer Down Under www.pro-steer.com.au on info@allvet.com.au and get the good oil.

Hope this helps.

Regards from Down Under.

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I'll keep this in mind, but my clear preference is to keep my vette as original as possible - even if this means putting up with 70's steering and handling.
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You didn't mention if anything happened before the problem started. Or possibly it always was there since you purchased the car? I was going to say that you have the wrong pitman arm on the gear. There are two different arms. They look very much alike. However, the manual arm (if used with power steering) can interfere with the control valve, tipping the stud, and causing it to jam.

Obviously, you just don't go an replace a pitman arm out of the blue. So if things were working properly previously, then the arm is most likely not the culprit.

The manual steering pitman arm has the numbers 3829452 forged or cast on the arm. It was used on 1963 through 1976 manual steering Corvettes.

The power steering pitman arm had the numbers 3741383 usually with an "A" or "B" suffix. It was used on 1963 through 1982 Corvettes with power steering. It was also used on all full size 1958 -62 passenger cars as well as 63 and 64 full size passenger cars with power steering.

Here are the addresses of two pictures of the arms:
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y38...rmsTopView.jpg

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y38...mssideview.jpg

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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 08:25 AM
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I may be off-base, but I recall having this issue with my first '69 and as I remember (I'm getting old there were two holes on the steering knuckle; one for power steering and one for manual. Using the rear hole with power steering would cause the symptoms you describe.

Again...it's been a while - so this may just be so much BS
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 08:30 AM
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Maybe something bad happening in the steering box? How much grease is in it?
If you lift the front end, and turn the steering with the engine off, does it still bind? That will tell you if your problem is mechanical or hydraulic.
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Originally Posted by tarzandaddyman
I'll keep this in mind, but my clear preference is to keep my vette as original as possible - even if this means putting up with 70's steering and handling.
Tarz,

Hard to believe you when I see the wheels and tyres on the car in your avatar.

Still, I respect your viewpoint, but if you ever get the chance to drive a car with a Borgeson box fitted, don't knock it back. There's at least one Vette in Cairns with one fitted, as well as a Mustang at Mareeba. I was up there last year and spoke to the owner out at the airport.

Regards from Down Under.

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Wow. This is certainly a possibility. I will have to check this out asap. I'll keep you posted.
Had a look at the oil dipstick tube. No problem there. Inches of clearance.
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Old Oct 13, 2011 | 05:31 AM
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Tarz,

Hard to believe you when I see the wheels and tyres on the car in your avatar.

Still, I respect your viewpoint, but if you ever get the chance to drive a car with a Borgeson box fitted, don't knock it back. There's at least one Vette in Cairns with one fitted, as well as a Mustang at Mareeba. I was up there last year and spoke to the owner out at the airport.

Regards from Down Under.

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Trust an Aussie to be the one with the facetious comment. Been trying to get my hands on a set of good, original Rally wheels since I bought the car. Got to have the right codes.
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Old Oct 13, 2011 | 08:49 AM
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Did you check the casting numbers on your pitman arm? Having a manual arm on a power steering application can cause the "stick in left turn" condition that you mention. The two arms look very much alike. But they have subtle differences that could cause your problem.


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